3 Key Supplements for Pandemic Prep - Episode 32

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In this week's podcast Jeffrey interviews Dr. Tom O'Bryan who is a Researcher, Speaker and the author of 2 books, You Can Fix Your Brain  and The Autoimmune Fix.

Tom is a master researcher and also a master educator. He explains things in easy to understand language and is going to share with you what he has discovered about Covid-19 which many doctors don't know.  He will also give you 3 supplements that are good to have in your medicine cabinet right now.  Approximately 50% of the people in the United States and in many other places will be exposed to the Covid-19 virus.  What happens next is all dependent on your immune system.

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Notes for this week's Podcast

The transcripts and show notes for the podcast have been delayed as our staff recovers from Covid-19.  In the meantime we have provided the rough transcript below.  If you would like to volunteer to clean up the transcript please contact us at: info@responsibletechnology.org

Speaker 1: (00:01)
Hi everyone. I'm Jeffrey Smith and I am founder of live healthy, be well and the Institute for responsible technology. I'm excited to bring you an interview with my friend, dr Tom O'Brien. I have seen dr Tom keep an entire room of physicians spellbound as he reveals to them the secrets that have been locked inside peer reviewed research that no one has teased down and put together in the way that he has. He's hosted the auto-immune docu-series called betrayal, the autoimmune disease solution. They're not telling you the gluten summit. He's the author of the book, the autoimmune fix and another one how to fix your brain. Now, Tom is a master researcher and also a master educator. He explains things in easy to understand language and he's going to share with you what he has discovered about covert 19 which many doctors don't know. In some cases the doctors know that we don't know and he's going to explain why.

Speaker 1: (01:04)
He has selected three particular supplements that he thinks are very important for us to have in our medicine cabinets right now. Liposomal vitamin C, zinc glycinate and mycellized vitamin D three. He's put them all together in what he calls the immune triad and there's a link in the notes section. Mmm four uh, purchasing the bundle at a discount if you'd like. So here I'm going to share with you just summarizing what it is that Tom and I discussed. So it's kind of tell him what you're going to tell him, tell him and tell him what you told him. But you can also just listen to the summary if you'd like. Approximately 50% of the people in the United States and other in many other places will be exposed to the covert 19 virus. Depending on which epidemiological research report you read, 50% is a lot. What happens next is all dependent on your immune system.

Speaker 1: (02:04)
Phase one you never knew you were exposed. Your immune system does the job that it was designed to do. It doesn't let this thing take hold. Phase two, the immune system was not capable of dealing with it completely. It had to call some reserve action. And so people after exposure get a little sore throat, maybe diarrhea, lung congestion, perhaps cough, possibly a fever, and then it goes away. Phase three smallest group. By far, the people have to go to the hospital. This is usually five to seven days after the first symptoms. The immune system can't handle it. Most of these people, 80% are sent home. The rest go to intensive care typically. Now according to a recent published study in the journal, the American medical association, Tom points out that they looked at over 5,000 people in New York. They were put on respirators at 88.1% of them died and he made the conclusion respirators don't work.

Speaker 1: (03:13)
So we don't want to get to that stage. And what's interesting is knowing that it's an immune system situation which determines which stage and that the immune system depends a great deal on lifestyle. This is actually a lifestyle disease. It's a lifestyle disease and it has what's called comorbidities. In other words, of the 88.1% of the people who died who were put on a respirator, almost every one of them had another disease, diabetes, particularly, uh, cardiovascular disease, including high blood pressure. They were obese, some had asthma or COPD. And these in turn are largely lifestyle diseases. So the death rate and the phase three, actually the entire choice of which phase you end up with is really an immune system slash lifestyle, um, situation. So it gives us power to make changes in our life so we can not feel like victims. Now let's go into the his immune triad.

Speaker 1: (04:21)
I'm going to just briefly talk about the vitamin D and the zinc and vitamin C. So vitamin D, um, one thing that he talked about was the mechanism of how food is processed through the intestinal walls into the blood system, blood stream. And that you said it's like, um, Panama canal, a certain one goes in and then it gate closes and then the immune system checks it out. Then it opens up and it goes in further and a gate closes in, the immune system, checks it out. And the Gates are controlled by vitamin D. If you don't have enough vitamin D, then those Gates systems can be malfunctioning and you can get leaky gut. And he talks about professor Alice, alas Alessio Fasano from Harvard who just wrote a paper titled all disease begins in the leaky gut. So if you don't have enough vitamin D, you can give rise to uh, immune system disorders, auto immune system disorders, inflammation, all sorts of diseases.

Speaker 1: (05:27)
So that's one place where vitamin D is needed. Now we also talked about one thing that maybe many people are already aware of and that is cytokine storm is one way that the immune system can ultimately kill us and its efforts to protect us from covert 19 now we actually have two different immune systems and innate immune system, which is the first responders and the adaptive immune system, which makes antibodies. Now, macrophages are part of the innate immune system. They fire a chemical bullet, but without sufficient vitamin D, the spring on the trigger can get stuck in the on position and the high powered rifle becomes a sub machine gun and then it's called a cytokine storm and it can cause death and the vitamin D can stop that from occurring. So since the cytokine storm is one of the ways in which covert 19 kills having sufficient levels of vitamin D is important, and he recommends the specific type of vitamin liquid, vitamin D three four to eight drops and not not all a man.

Speaker 1: (06:37)
He talks about zinc and zinc. He also talks about thinking hydro hydroxy chloroquine and quinine and malaria. The whole story. It's beautiful. Basically zinc prevents the D the, yeah. When it gets in the cell, when the zinc gets in the cell, it prevents the virus from shedding and reproducing. But what gets the zinc and the cell something called Ayana Ayana force. What is the zinc? Guyana for hydroxy chloroquine. A malaria drug is a zinc ion a four quinine from the fever tree as a zinc. I on a four and he talks about how gin and tonic was produced, was created by the British soldiers having their, um, quinine in India to prevent or treat malaria. So he actually, Tom and his wife, they actually drink quinine. He talks about it in the interview and gives you the particular name of the quinine and he says, there is no evidence the quinine, we'll protect you from the current virus.

Speaker 1: (07:32)
But there's the theory that because it's an Iona for if you take it along with having sufficient zinc in your system, then it can help the zinc get into position to do its job. And the zinc glycinate is a type he recommends. He said, don't take zinc forever because then it can interfere with copper. But for three to four weeks, taking 20 to 30 milligrams of zinc a day is just fine. Now, vitamin C is a huge immune booster. There was a study, it came out of China in February where they did high dose intravenous vitamin C with people on respirators and they were turned around in a single day. So vitamin C has potential according to the Chinese report. And quoted by Tom in this interview. Now, if you're genetically sensitive to develop kidney stones, speak to your doctor, listen to the interview first.

Speaker 1: (08:25)
And if you take too much of the normal vitamin C, it can give you diarrhea. But the form of vitamin C he recommends is called lyposomal and it's absorbed immediately. It doesn't irritate the bowels. Finally, uh, amazing story. Um, Finland and Denmark and Norway have a similar sized population, but Finland has only 20% of the covert cases. And Tom points out that 5.2 million people have 3 million saunas and they go back and forth. It's been two or three times a week. And the, they go in their salt or they go into coal, they go into sauna, go in the cold. And this is a similar therapy used by the seventh day Adventists and their hospitals during the 1918 pandemic flu. And they had a better success rate with people compared to anyone else. So maybe it's the hot cold therapy. And we did some research on saunas. We had a podcast and a Facebook live on Sonos. So if you're interested, there's a link to, uh, listen to the interview or purchase this on at a discount. So now that I've basically summarize the main points, I recommend listening in detail to Tom who does it much better with, much more, hi Nash stories, metaphors, analogies. And you'll want, you don't want to miss this because this is so important. Please share it with others as well.

Speaker 1: (00:01)
Hi everyone. This is Jeffrey Smith. I'm with my good friend, dr Tom. Dr Tom O'Bryan was introduced to me by my friend Hyla Cass when I said, who is the biggest gluten guru on the planet? I need, I have a uh, uh, hypothesis I need to run by. And she said, Oh, well, of course it's Tom O'Brien. You know, Tom, I didn't, so I called you Tom and we had a nice discussion. That was the first of what's become a relationship. That is, has been, it's has brought me to your home in Italy. And now I'm speaking to you in Costa Rica. You're in Costa Rica. I'm in California. Welcome Tom. No, thank you so much, Jeffrey. Always a pleasure. Now you are, have been studying carefully the [inaudible] 19 literature. I know from seeing you at conference after conference, you really comb through the peer reviewed public literature to get to the actual core of things.

Speaker 1: (00:56)
That's why one of the reasons you're so famous and so effective, and you've brought information about gluten, about information, about autoimmune disease. You have a book, the autoimmune fix you have, how to fix your brain. You did the betrayal series on auto immune disease and what they're not telling you, you did the gluten summit and you really, I've been guiding millions of people based on what's really in the science. And I know based on distilling it all, you have identified three specific products that you call the immune triad and we're going to make them available to people in the link below. But can you tell us what, what you have discovered, give us the benefit of your research into covert 19 what we need to know about how it works and how we can either treat or prevent it and what it, why you've selected this particular trial.

Speaker 2: (01:47)
You bet. You bet Jeffrey. And the first thing that people should know, um, most scientists are categorizing this as a three phased immune response. Now there's no question that at least 50% of us will be exposed to the virus. There's no question every epidemiologists agrees. And then the numbers debatable. I've seen 40% the literature I've seen 70% I just listened to the top epidemiologist in Sweden today at Karolinska Institute. He's, he says 50% so we know that at least somewhere around half the population will be exposed to this thing. That's how viruses work. But there are three phases to the immune response. Phase. One, you never knew that you were exposed, meaning your immune system does its job and doesn't let this thing get a hold and set up shop in your house and start shedding and producing more virus and making you sick. That's phase one.

Speaker 2: (02:50)
And that's the vast majority of people. We'll never know that they've been exposed unless they do a blood test looking for antibodies because your immune system will produce antibodies to protect you from any further exposures down the road. So that's phase one. Phase two, the people who get exposed, they get a little sore throat, they get a little diarrhea, they get a little lung congestion or a cough for a couple of days. Maybe they activate a fever, a hundred, 102 anything up to 104 is fine. Uh, that lasts for a day or two because your immune system wasn't capable of dealing with it completely. And it had to call him some reserve action, like a fever. The vast majority of people will have no response to this thing. No fever, no sore throats, no cough, no congestion. The vast majority, those whose immune systems are a little bit under the weather, not quite up to par but can rally.

Speaker 2: (03:54)
They're the ones that'll get a little fever, a little bit of symptoms for a few days, and then they're fine. Phase three are the people that have to go to the hospital and that number is usually five to seven days after first symptoms, first start appearing a little sore throat, a little bit of fever, and it doesn't go away. Five to seven days later, they're really sick. They have to go to the hospital. Those people, their immune systems just can't handle it all. And what we know about this cobot 19 symptom pattern, so the virus is called SARS dash cold cob to number two. That's the virus and covert 19 is that the name for this whole response that's occurred to it worldwide? And what we know is that anyone that goes and everybody agrees on this from phase two to phase three and I say from phase one to phase two, the only reason people go from phase two to phase three the only reason is that your immune system wasn't able to take care of it.

Speaker 2: (05:03)
Period. This is great because it, it takes the whole relationship between us and disease and gives us empowerment. It gives us an ability to say, what do I need to do to make sure it doesn't go to phase two or that doesn't go to phase three as opposed as opposed to this, you know, the, the monster under the bed or in the closet that that has some mysterious capacity to do harm. You've just in in one minute made it something that is, is actionable. Thank you. Yes, yes, yes and no doctor disagrees with that. That because that's just basic physiology. There's no magic problem here. It's that your immune system's not able to handle it, period. And we have two different immune systems. We have basically two different immune systems. The innate immune system, meaning the first responders and every animal on the planet has an innate immune system in humans.

Speaker 2: (06:06)
Um, uh, uh, it's pretty comprehensive, much more than an animals. But then we also have, have the adaptive immune system and most other animals on the planet don't. Some do, but most don't make antibodies. So it's the innate immune system that has to respond to something we're exposed to like a virus. They're the first responders and those that have to go to the hospital, of those that do, 80% of them were, were sent home if they're breathing. Okay, they're sent home. Yeah, you got a fever, you know, hear your take something forward. If it doesn't come down. And I did a whole series is called copy with dr Tom and uh, I did them every day for eight days with different topics like beavers. And here's all the studies as to why fevers are good for you. Here's all the studies as to why certain vitamins are good for you that we're going to talk about.

Speaker 2: (07:05)
Here's all the studies of why sauna is good for you. You know, in Finland, Finland, Denmark, and um, uh, Norway all have about 5 million people in their populations. Uh, 5.2, 5.4, but they're all about the same in population. But Finland has less than 20%. Was it 20 some percent of the problems of people getting sick with exposure to this virus compared to Denmark and Norway, they have the same percent population. What's so different about Finland? There's 5 million people in Finland, 5.2 million people in Finland and 3 million saunas. And these people live in a culture where they do saunas couple, three times a week and then they jump into cold water and then they go back into the sauna again and then they go and cold water one more time. And then they go back in the hot again. And then I show you the studies of how that hot therapy, they started that it comes from seventh day Adventists and their hospitals and what they did in the 1918 pandemic flu and why their hospitals had much better success rates with people getting well who are sick compared to anybody else.

Speaker 2: (08:23)
And you read the studies on that and you go, wow, really? So doing full mentations, which is like AIPAC on your chest and there's a way of doing it and all that. That really helps. Yeah. Here's the studies and then you see the current studies about saunas and what they do. So anyway, we did all that. It's coffees with dr Tom. It's all free. You know, is that the dr com forward slash coffee and you, you, you, you can watch them there. Now I'm doing every Monday, 9:00 AM Pacific. So I'm doing a little plug here, you know, of course, because they're there, they're really great and they're right. And um, uh, so there is a mechanism of how to help your immune system do better. So the first takeaway, this thing keeps falling out. So the first takeaway is that if you get sick to any degree, it's because your immune system fell down on the job.

Speaker 2: (09:18)
So if you get just a little fever and then you're fine couple of days later, which was great, high five way to go, just recognize when this is all done, what can I do to help support my immune system to get a little bit stronger? Right? Not that you're sick right now or anything. It did its job to a degree, but you, you, you needed to bring up the reserves to do it. So what can I do so that my innate immune response is adequate by itself without having to call up the reserves that would be worthwhile to protect you in the future. That's just a little Pearl takeaway so that those that went to the hospital, 80% of them got sent home. The 20% that were admitted moved on to have to go into intensive care. They, they were admitted into intensive care. Then if they needed a respirator, they published a study in the journal of American medical association last week and they looked at over 5,000 people in New York.

Speaker 2: (10:16)
It had to be put on respirators. 88.1% of them died. Respirators don't work with this. That's amazing. Yeah. Jaw-dropping statistic in the journal, the American medical association, this just came out. Wow. So anything you can do to prevent yourself from getting so sick that you have to go to phase three and go to the hospital is going to be a value. Anything you can do is going to be helpful. So it will be a value for people to learn about saunas and the benefits of saunas to learn about fomentation packs and you know, putting hot packs on to learn about castor oil packs. Now they're not going to cure a COBIT 19 but they help to support your immune system so that when you need Oh sharp teeth on your Pac-Man going through your system, you got sharp teeth because you're following Wim Hoff. For example, this guy is Matt, case guy when hot w M H O, F, F who teaches about, he walked up to Everest without oxygen tanks in a pair of shorts.

Speaker 2: (11:32)
I mean, unbelievable what this guy does. He teaches people how to avoid the coal or how to be at peace in the coal, not avoid the coal. And what you learn is that you strengthen your immune system when you do that. So taking cold showers, I mean there was a way of doing it, but learning about things like that and it might help this, it might help this much, you know? But the things that are rational, that helped. Great. So, I'm sorry, I don't mean to get off track here, but they all relate. So what we're dealing with right now, cause you need to be empowered. You need to learn how to get the files that sharpen the teeth on your pack man and your innate immune system to chew up and get rid of any bacteria, any viruses you're exposed to to keep them in check so they can't rear their ugly heads and take over.

Speaker 2: (12:23)
So that's really important for all of us to learn. The last part of all this and why was going down this line of thinking is that there's no question that this current response to viral exposure is determined by your lifestyle because it's lifestyle that determines the strength of your immune system. Yeah. Some people have genetics that make them vulnerable to an autoimmune disease. That means your immune system's attacking your own tissue, but you've got to turn those genes on for them to make you vulnerable to autoimmune disease like celiac. Don't eat wheat if you've got the genes for celiac, right? And so you have to have the trigger that turns on the gene. So your immune system function is determined by how you live your life. This is a lifestyle situation. And if you went to phase two, or hopefully you didn't, but if you went to base three and you're okay now, which is great, high five to you, you're okay.

Speaker 2: (13:26)
You need to recognize lifestyle is what put you in phase two or phase three so that you evaluate in your future. What am I doing that really, I know I shouldn't eat too much of dot, dot, dot. Don't eat that stuff. Or yeah, you know, I got my blood sugars a little fluctuating. Learn how to get it under control. You know, spend the time to do that because this is a lifestyle disease. This is not something that you don't have control over. This is a lifestyle disease. So with all that said, there are three nutrients that I consider essential. There's a lot more that have really good science that is are beneficial, but these three have shown to be essential and they are vitamin C, zinc and vitamin D. Now let's take zinc first. Zinc is the only nutrient shown that stops the virus in its tracks from shedding.

Speaker 2: (14:32)
Now what happens, this virus has a way of getting inside yourselves, not just in your body. You know, you breathe it in, uh, or it gets in your gut cause you grabbed some, you ate something that had some virus on, somebody coughed in a room or you know, however you got exposed. But the virus in your bloodstream is not a problem. The virus has to get inside yourselves, whether it's a Mmm brain cell or a kidney cell or a lung cell. The lung cells are most common. That's why you get lung problems. But the virus, it has to get inside the cell. And it does that. There's a receptor receptors, like a catcher, Smith sitting on the outside of the cell and the blood's going by and the virus gets attracted to one particular receptor. It's called the [inaudible] receptor. I think there's millions of people now that have heard the word ACE too.

Speaker 2: (15:30)
But I love your, your catcher's Mitt. Oh, your baseball Mitt analogy for receptors. And that's perfect. Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. And vitamin D also goes through the ACE two receptor. So some people have said, don't take vitamin D because it might help the virus get inside the cell. And some people who I respect quite a bit started saying that. So I wrote to them, I said, why are you saying that? Send me the science. And there was some guy who put together some studies and um, I looked at the studies and what it said was it shares a receptor, the receptor. And I said, Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, that's interesting. But where's the evidence that it's a problem? There was no evidence. So I reached down to the three top vitamin D experts in the world. One in Boston, one university of Chicago, one at Karolinska in Sweden.

Speaker 2: (16:25)
I introduced myself and I said, I understand that, um, uh, this virus, uh, uh, penetrates the cell through the ACE two receptor and that, um, a shared compound that goes through the ACE two receptors, vitamin D, is there any evidence that having adequate and robust vitamin D levels will accelerate the penetration of the virus into the cell and all three of them separately? You know, because I sent the request out to all three minutes at the same time, within about an hour. All three of them came back within a day and said, although the theory is rational in its logic, there was no evidence of such a relationship. So it doesn't make sense. Especially when I tell you about vitamin D how important it is. Right? We get, actually, I've actually heard that concept from some people that said, no vitamin D because of this and, and I'm glad you clarified that. There's no evidence that it's a scenery but not supported by evidence. Right. It's true. They share the same catcher's Mitt. It's true. You know, you, you, you can throw a fastball into a catcher's Mitt and then you can throw a curve ball into a catcher. Smith, right. They both go into the mid. Okay. It doesn't mean that if you throw a fastball, the curve ball is going to get in faster. Yeah. I know. It didn't, it didn't make sense to me with the catchers in a minute. The mid

Speaker 1: (17:50)
analogy. And thank you for further clarifying.

Speaker 2: (17:54)
Uh, so vitamin D, there are hundreds and hundreds of studies that show the benefit of vitamin D to your immune system. And I'm not exaggerating, there was a lot, but the one that probably, well, there's a couple that stand out and the first one is a

Speaker 1: (18:11)
Mmm.

Speaker 2: (18:14)
We've all heard of leaky gut and most of us who have been following this have heard of the number one researcher in the world who identified the mechanism that causes leaky gut. Professor Alessio Fasano,

Speaker 1: (18:28)
you said Harvard. He chairs, uh, pediatric gastroenterology at mass general at Harvard, and he,

Speaker 2: (18:35)
uh, is the head of the department of mucosal immunology. That means the lining of your lungs, the lining of your gut.

Speaker 1: (18:42)
He chairs that department. He just wrote a paper. And, and Jeff as you know, guys of that nature, they're really careful of everything they say.

Speaker 2: (18:53)
Oh yeah. Cause they're, they're going to be quoted and misquoted. So they're always cautious on what they say.

Speaker 1: (18:59)
He just published a paper early January, uh, January 31st it came out w

Speaker 2: (19:05)
nothing to do with this virus. And the paper is titled all disease begins in the leak, in quotes, leaky

Speaker 1: (19:15)
gut,

Speaker 2: (19:16)
all disease begins the leaky gut coming from Fasano. That's the title of the paper. Yeah. That means well, what about ms? All disease. What about depression? All disease. What about anxiety? All disease. What about a compromised immune system? All disease.

Speaker 1: (19:34)
Wow. You know, you and I haven't interviewed each other since this came out and we've been talking about leaky gut with some analogies and fun ways of describing the immune systems. Uh, auto immune disease and inflammation reaction and the, and all that. And there's always, there's always the sense that well, mainstream medicine has not yet recognized leaky gut. And it's in the way that functional medicine practitioners have in the way that you have. And it's like, I remember talking to someone or listening to some, somebody says, we don't have to talk about leaky gut. Everyone who is putting attention on it knows it's important. And it was dismissing the fact that Western medicine hasn't gotten there yet. But now you're telling me that the, the, the man who has been associated with this in our Arvard is like saying, grabbing everyone by the jowls and saying, pay attention everyone. So congratulations because you've been talking about this for years and years now it's, you have amazing support from someone who's highly recognized from Western medicine,

Speaker 2: (20:51)
a white tower. Right, right, right. The white tower. I agreed and I thank you for that. And you know, as you have the poster behind you, um, secret ingredients, I never thought of this, but I think I'm going to do it when, when I can get, I can't here in Costa Rica right now, but I'm going to get the front page of two research articles blown up to poster size. One of them is uh, this one from professor Paisano cause he outlines in in the paper the five-step mechanism in the development of these diseases of uh, of our lifestyle, these uh, current, um, auto immune diseases that we get. It's a five step process but the front page of that one. And then the other one is the front page of the article that said, and I don't remember the exact title, but it was, the answer is 17 years.

Speaker 2: (21:46)
That part is the first part of the title. And then the second part, I don't remember, but it's 17 years from when translational research is first published before the doc down the street is using the information in his practice. Wow. 17 years is the average, not the exception. Professor Fasano, I first identified the mechanism of intestinal permeability in 1997 and now it's finally coming to be recognized as a primary mechanism in the development diseases. So let's, let's get back to our topic. So if you want to know about leaky gut, just think of, you know, two cells in the intestines side-by-side. Or if we use my fingers as cells here, and then the space between them is how the food gets into our bloodstream from the intestines. You know, the intestines, mrs patient, your intestines are a tube from the mouth to the other end when big long tube winds around in the center there.

Speaker 2: (22:51)
And uh, if you could take a donut and stretch a doughnut out and look down the center of the donut, that's your digestive tract. That's your intestines. One big long doughnut. You swallow food, it's in the donut. It's not in your body yet. It's gotta be broken down really small to get through the walls of the doughnut into your bloodstream. And that occurs when the food's broken down. Small enough to fit between your fingers, right? So when the cells open up to let a little bit of food go between them, it's like the Panama canal, that one gate opens, food goes in a little bit, the gate closes, the immune system checks it out. Now the next gate opens, the food goes down a little further. That gate closes, the immune system, checks it out. And when you see pictures of this, it's really cool cause that's exactly what happened.

Speaker 2: (23:43)
And the Gates of the Panama canal, the Gates are completely controlled by vitamin D. That's how critically important vitamin D is. And the geek term is modulator paracellular permeability. Vitamin D modulates paracellular permeability, intestinal permeability and blood brain barrier permeability and lung permeability. But it's vitamin D that opens and closes the Gates. So when the Gates gets stuck in the open position, because you've got a vitamin D insufficiency or deficiency, you got leaky gut. That's the mechanism by which these big molecules get into the bloodstream way too early. And your immune system trying to protect you fights them. Now you develop whatever disease auto immune disease is your genetic vulnerability because all this inflammation is going on in your body and there's more steps to it in that. But that's the mechanism and it's all controlled. The Gates of the Panama canal are controlled by vitamin D.

Speaker 2: (24:48)
So that's critically important right now because every single person, I shouldn't say that, but of the 88.1% of people who died, uh, put it on a respirator in New York, and this last couple of months as just published in the journal, the American medical association of the 88.1% of them, almost every one of them had a comorbidity. What does that mean? They had diabetes, they had high blood pressure, they were obese. One study that came out of China showed if you're obese, meaning body fat greater than 30%, not huge. You know, you don't have to be this way, obese. It's inside your body. You're obese. Skinny people can be obese if their body composition is way off. If you're obese, you had a 3.4 fold, increased risk of mortality with a sorrows Cove too, 3.4 fold, three almost three and a half times more likely to die because you're obese, high blood pressure, diabetes, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.

Speaker 2: (25:55)
Uh, and there was one more, I'm not remembering, but almost every one that died had one of these five conditions, which are all diseases of lifestyle and the life we've lived up to this point creates the vulnerabilities we have. So if you're phase two, this is a wake up call, strengthen your immune system. Now the other thing about vitamin D that's really important, and I love this one. This is, uh, I'm sorry, I hope it's okay that you know, we're going longer than 15 minutes. People who listened to our work in our, in our emails, they want the details, they want to be able to tell the stories to others. And that's why you've been so popular with our, with our lists. Thanks. Okay, this will blow you away. Really, really blew me away. 2004, I read a paper, they found four people buried in the Arctic Tundra on an army base who died in the 1918 Spanish pandemic flu.

Speaker 2: (26:58)
And they said, let's dig them up and figure out why they died. No, no, no. Don't expose the virus. It's in the Tundra. Cause if they're buried in ice, their bodies are preserved, right? But they dug them up and they found out they died because of what's called a cytokine storm. But we've heard of this now, this cytokine storm thing, what does that mean? Macrophages are part of the innate immune system. The first responders and what macrophages do, something gets into your lungs or into your gut. They fire a chemical bullet. They're like special forces. They've got high powered rifles and they fire a chemical bullet that destroys whatever that bacteria is or that virus. That's their job. What they found out with these people was that their macrophages went crazy and the high powered rifle, the spring on the trigger got stuck in the on position and the high powered rifle became a sub machine gun. [inaudible]

Speaker 2: (28:04)
and that's what a cytokine storm is, is your macrophage is going crazy on you. You know that song was at Abba. I don't know who's crazy on you. That's it's what you're doing in your lungs when you have a cytokine storm. Just think of that song, play that song, and just listen to the high pitch whine. And you know, I'm dating myself. But that's really, that's really what it's like. Your immune system is just going crazy. Well, when I read that, I said, why does that happen? What's that about? And 2005 a year later, a paper that gets published in the journal blood, which was a really good journal, and they looked at this situation. What did they find? They found, see there's a couple of different forms of vitamin D. The sun converts hormones in your skin. Two 25 hydroxy D and that's the one that most blood tests look for. 25 hydroxy D gets converted in your, uh, kidneys and in your lungs and other tissue to one 25 hydroxy D. And that's the active form of vitamin D. What they found out was that when macrophages got activated to fight something, when you pull the trigger to fight something, macrophages convert 25 hydroxy D to one 25 hydroxy D the macrophages do it in your immune system, which then suppresses the function of the macrophages, meaning shuts down or suppresses the production of the bullets.

Speaker 1: (29:53)
So, in other words, the Mac, the macrophages are, they're saying, I'm going to keep shooting until I get the signal that we've have enough bullets out there doing the job. When there's enough bullets out there it is. Okay. And then it waits and then, and then, and then when there's, it's like a homeostasis feedback loop when it since settles down and there's not a note. If it goes up, I got my job again and it shoots and then awaits.

Speaker 2: (30:16)
That's exactly right. And it's, it's really good the way you said that. Um, the analogy I use is, you know, if you're driving down the Hill, you better have your foot on the brake, right? Or is she going to go flying too fast? Right. So you have to hit the break every once in a while, you're driving downhill. Macrophages stimulate the conversion of 25 to one 25 which suppresses macrophage function. It's keeping the foot on the brake so that you don't over respond. Right? So that's what happens in a cytokine storm. Your brakes go out, you're driving down a Hill and the brakes go out. BA cause there's no brakes. So you need enough vitamin D, you need enough one 25 in your, and they found that the regular macrophages, they don't convert 25 to one 25 they don't do it only when they're activated. Only when you pull the trigger. Does this mechanism occur because as you said, you know it's a little safety system. It's a feedback loop.

Speaker 1: (31:20)
So there is, there is one 25 there, but the macrophages are unable to figure out what's going on and they lose

Speaker 2: (31:28)
no, no, no, no. There was not one 25 the macrophages convert the 25 to one 25 which automatically then becomes a break.

Speaker 1: (31:38)
So what's happening is it's filling up with 25 and 25 and 25 and 25 and it's not converting to one 25

Speaker 2: (31:45)
we've always got 25 circulating. If you have enough vitamin D. Right. And the macrophages that are just circulating that are kind of like the Scouts walking around, they don't have any one 25 minutes there. They're not producing one 25 well, when the Scouts get activated to pull the trigger, it's like a feedback loop. Inside of them. They start making one 25 why? Because it's the break so that you don't over respond to the situation. It's so cool. You know, and I

Speaker 1: (32:16)
no, I've known that. How does the site, what's the mechanism for the cytokine storm? Where, where it's stuck in the, in the on position,

Speaker 2: (32:22)
there's no break. You're bringing your bracelet. You know, I had 13 cars when I was an undergrad, all under a hundred dollars. I didn't have any money. I was working my way through school. You know, sometimes the brakes go out, you know, you better have backup plans. Right? Right. So that's what happens if you have a vitamin D insufficiency or deficiency, you run the risk of not having a break when you're driving downhill. I see. So without the vitamin D you need enough vitamin D to so it can be converted to one 25 so that it can stop the micro fasion when there's not enough regulate modulator. The Mac, the macrophage. Alright. So, so this, this demonstrates that the entire cytokine storm, the stuck in position of the on switch for the machine gun is entirely blamed on the lack of the one 25 which is blamed and the lack of available vitamin D no, no, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope.

Speaker 2: (33:23)
It's not entirely, I never, ever want to say that. It's actually, this is a mechanism, right? This is an identified mechanism that most physicians don't know about. Okay. They don't know about this. So this is something that, so, uh, my takeaway from this information is make sure your vitamin D levels are accurate, adequate, just make sure they're adequate. And you know, on a range, any reference range for nutrient levels is the minimum. And then there's a maximum. And the minimum is where the RDA is the recommended daily allowance. This is the minimum amount you need so that you don't have a disease. So if you have a disease like diabetes, diabetes, kidney disease, something like that, then your level is going to be on this side, it's going to be low. Right? And that's how they determine what the RDA is. So when you do blood tests, there's no evidence of disease.

Speaker 2: (34:22)
If all these people have X amount and there's no disease, that's the minimum. Let's make sure that they take that. I want the high end of the reference range. I want to be out here robust and vibrant and healthy with lots of reserves if I need them. So that's the difference. You know, that's the argument. People say, well, I don't need to take vitamins. I just eat not enough food. That was, okay. Well that's a different discussion. So you just want to make sure, and what we recommend with vitamin D is that you're between, uh, 50 and 70 to 75 nanograms per milliliter. NG per ML is what the, uh, uh, measuring markers are for vitamin D and 50 to 75. If you're in the U S that's the Mo, the marker. If you're outside the U S some other places use nanomoles per liter and you can convert it online easily to, uh, uh, to see how it compares to 50 to 75 nanograms.

Speaker 2: (35:23)
Right? So that's the goal. And everybody should get a vitamin D test everybody. And there's great vitamin D tests that are fingerprint tests just to fingerprint. No, they mail it to you, you fingerprint, put it out there, let it on that blot, mail it back and you get your results. So you have, you have a immune triad or vitamin D is one of the components, right? And I know you're not just a random pick a pick a supplement off the shelf kind of guy. Um, you're a formulator, you're, um, you're a pioneer in supplementation. You've developed some amazing things that we've talked about in the past. Why did you select or develop? I don't know which the vitamin D mycellized vitamin D, right? Mycellized any vitamin D is better than none any, you know, you just get your blood levels up. Mycellized vitamin D, it's a form.

Speaker 2: (36:17)
It's really tiny. And so it's absorbed really easily so you get more bang for your buck. The goal is that you want your vitamin D between 50 and 75 nanograms. And so whatever it takes to get it there. But when you use mycellized vitamin D, what the studies have shown is that you increase your blood value of 25 hydroxy vitamin D five times more then if you use emulsified vitamin D. Now there's nothing wrong with emulsified. It works. You just gotta you take five times, you know, my saliva increases your levels five times higher than emulsified. So it's, it's easier, you know, put a few drops on your tongue, boom, it's gone. Yeah. And so I'd like it. I'd like it a lot. We've used it for years. It's very effective and it works well. The only side time that mycellized is not desired is when you want more vitamin D for the Gates of the Panama canal.

Speaker 2: (37:17)
In that situation, I want the vitamin D going down to the gut. I don't want it so much in the bloodstream where a tiny amount will eventually get to the Gates of the canal. I want large portions right there to be absorbed and utilized. So in those cases, when we're dealing with fixing leaky guts, we'll give them a tablet of vitamin D. Uh, it's part of our GS packs and it's 5,000 units. Then you take that every day. And so it's really easily available for the Gates of the canal. But in terms of your immune system, right, there are a couple of drops on your tongue under your tongue. Boom, it's in and it goes to work right away. That's why we use the mycellized vitamin D one drop is 1200 international units. And so I tell people take Hey, four to eight drops depending on their body weight, uh, and depending on, uh, what their blood values were.

Speaker 2: (38:14)
And right now a study came out in early March about this current virus thing. And I said, if you don't know what your vitamin D levels are, take 10,000. I, uh, I use a day for two weeks and then drop it down to 5,000. This was for adults. So if it's a child, this is the imaginary 150 pound adult. So if it's a child, just drop dose by weight, but 10,000 units a day for two weeks and drop it down to 5,000. Very safe, not going to be a problem for anybody, and you're helping to ensure you've got enough raw material there to keep a brake on. When your macro bulges get activated, that's a critical component. Now we started going into zinc, but then all of a sudden that went off somewhere in the squirrel.

Speaker 2: (39:07)
So I'm real and back in right, I think is pretty cool. I really liked this one that I went into in detail in my copy, you know, with dr Tom thing. Um, um, why did the government in early March, early to mid March, a fast track approval for hydroxy chloroquine, uh, for this viral thing, hydroxychloroquine is a drug that's recommended for, uh, malaria and they've been using it for 60 years and they know the safety of it and all that, and it got fast-tracked. Why? To get a pass track because this virus works very similarly to get inside the cell and to do its nasty work just like malaria does. So how does hydroxy chloroquine work? Hydroxy chloroquine is a zinc Ayana for, that's a great Scrabble word. And what it means is escorts, zinc inside the cell, that zinc is critically important, but in your bloodstream, it's good to have it, but that ain't where the action is.

Speaker 2: (40:18)
You've got to get the zinc inside the cell, and usually zinc gets inside the cell pretty well. Uh, but if you're low on sank and there's not that much around, as an example, hydroxy chloroquine grabs what's in your bloodstream and escorts it inside the cell. What happens then? The virus can't shed. The virus can't reproduce. The virus can't penetrate your DNA and take over that cell. Zinc is the key. There is no other nutrient in the world has been shown to be a direct inhibitor of viral shedding and reproducing. Except for zinc. Yeah, there's rotavirus or for all viruses. Oh, virus. So as far as I know now, now I'm not a virologist, so I shouldn't say all viruses, but that's how zinc works to support your immune system when it gets inside the cell. That's one of the mechanisms. Anyway, there are many, but this is what very important one, when zincs inside the cell, the virus can't shed and penetrate into your own DNA.

Speaker 2: (41:19)
So it can't go anywhere. And hydroxy chloroquine helps to get zinc inside the cell. The term for that is Ayana for, is it anything other than I auto for it? Does the hydroxychloroquine do anything other present into the cell? It does. I'm sure it does. But this is the primary mechanism. So this is the brain. This is amazing. You know, I've heard of a hydroxy chloroquine, you know, people are just going crazy about this question, but you know, that's a patent, a drug that's a pharmaceutical. Um, and of course it's not big. I mean, it's been around for so long. It's probably off patent and generic. And so people aren't making money from it. And there's that issue. But I haven't been hearing her hearing about the zinc connection. Every time we talk about the hydroxy chloroquine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I mean, this is why, you know, in the late 18 hundreds the British soldiers in India were given quinine to take quinine, comes from the chinchona tree, the fever tree, and it's a zinc Ayana for.

Speaker 2: (42:22)
So quinine and hydroxy chloroquine was the pharmaceutical attempt to reproduce and be more efficient than quinine. Well, that's why hydroxy chloroquine got produced. Alright, so now wait, wait, wait, wait. This is very cool. Okay, so quinine from the fever tree is really bitter. And if you want to see some interests, then you just Google bitter and COBIT 19 and look at the studies on bitters and how they reduce the effects of virus. Just because bitter receptors are not just on your tongue, they're in your kidneys, they're in your immune system, they're throughout your body. So when you take bitters, it's not just stimulating the receptor, the catcher's Smith's on your tongue, it goes through your system. So quinine was really just this nasty tasting stuff. So what did the British soldiers do? They took a little water, a little bit of sugar, put a little fruit in there.

Speaker 2: (43:24)
And that's where the song, just a little bit of sugar helps the medicine go down, came from the Julie Andrews song in sound of music or wherever it was. It was Mary Poppins. Okay. It was Ray Poppins, but also they would mix it with alcohol. Right, right. Well that's the next part of this, but, but that's where this thing came from. So the British soldiers got permission for a teaspoon of gin with it and thus was born the gin and tonic tonic water tonic water is quinine and water and a little bit of sugar and a little bit of a uh, uh, fruits. So that's tough. Tonic water. Now the dosing and the hydroxy chloroquine is about 550 milligrams, I believe it was of quinine quinine equivalent, whereas tonic water has 83 milligrams of quinine in it. So my wife and I are taking tonic water.

Speaker 2: (44:23)
There's no evidence it has anything to do to protect you from this current virus. There was no evidence, but it sure as hell is not going to hurt you. And quinine is known to be a zinc Ayana for so. So you recommend not only taking the zinc and I'll ask you about which form of zinc in a minute because I know will be random, but why does well have your, your non gin and tonic at the same time? You can have it exactly right. Exactly. However, there are a lot of copycat tonic waters out there that don't have quinine. They just have, you know, artificial flavorings to reproduce the taste because it's cheaper for them to do that. And when you get the real stuff, then it says quinine on it. Good, good. But it's so bitter. Usually there's a ton of sugar in there, so you gotta be really careful.

Speaker 2: (45:14)
And so there is a quinine light, a Mac, quinine light, uh, Beaver tree, which is a company also, not just the name of the tree. Um, they have five different tonic waters. One of them is, uh, Indian flavor. So whatever the spices are they use, but there's an Indian light that has half the sugar. So we just came back from going into the capital of Costa Rica and I called her order at a time, two cases of Indian light, and they had to order it. It took about a week to get it in, right? But we got two cases of Indian light tonic water because it's less sugar, but it's quinine. So you know, we'll, we'll take a little quinine. It's fine. It's safe, effective. Maybe we'll see if taking it with the zinc so that it has the Iona four can have something to exactly escort in there.

Speaker 2: (46:02)
You want to make sure that you have enough zinc and it's hard to get enough sink. You know, it was hard. I mean, oysters are known as a high source of saying, but not everybody eats oysters. Pumpkin seeds. I haven't seen just Google, uh, foods with zinc and print out the list and just include some of those foods to make sure that you're getting some. But right now, during this time, I'm wrecking to all of my patients take a little extra zinc and the zinc we recommend is zinc glycinate. Why? Because glycine is the escort to get the zinc absorbed through your intestines. And glycine is the smallest amino acid that's used for any nutrients to help carry them, escort them into the cells. And um, so you absorb more with zinc glycinate. So that's why we recommend, but any, there's 18 different kinds of saying anything is better than nosing.

Speaker 2: (46:54)
Alright. And um, there was a study that came out early in the course of all this sometime in February, talking about throat lozenges, zinc lozenges and how helpful they are. There they are. And you can get them at any pharmacy, you know, but they're loaded with sugar and crap, you know, a chemical, um, food dyes and stuff. But they will help. If there's nothing else available, they will help. But we like zinc glycinate because it's absorbed so easily. And in general, you don't want to take zinc forever because if you have too much zinc, it can interfere with copper and then you can, and you don't feel symptoms until some serious things can happen down the road, months and months down the road. But for three, four weeks, taking 20, 30 milligrams of zinc a day is just fine. There's no complications at all. So right now in this time when you want to make sure you've got adequate amount of zinc, um, in your diet, um, I'd recommend a zinc glycinate one a day. All right,

Speaker 1: (47:52)
question number. Next question. So we understand that the zinc helps stop the spreading of the virus and that the vitamin D helps the immune system deal with the virus without causing a cytokine storm. The triad has a third one and that's vitamin C. Where does that come in?

Speaker 2: (48:14)
Vitamin C has been known. Oh my gosh. You know, you'd go back to Linus Pauling, the only man to ever win two Nobel prizes. And uh, uh, I've got a video of professor Pauling, he was in his eighties, got a little black bra on really cute and he's being interviewed. He says, yes, yes, yes. My wife and I take 18,000 milligrams of vitamin C every day and when we get old we'll take more. And he was in his eighties. It was great. It was great. Um, there are just hundreds and hundreds of studies of the essential nature of vitamin C in sharpening the teeth of your pack mat in your innate immune system. And a study started coming out of China towards the early to mid part of February on high dosing, vitamin C with IVs, turning these people around in one day. Wow. So there's no question and these were people on respirators, there's no question that vitamin C is a support to your immune system.

Speaker 2: (49:22)
So the question is how much vitamin C to take, you know, and uh, is it safe? Yes, it's safe. The worst thing that can happen, there's two things. One, there, there are those that are genetically sensitive to developing kidney stones. So if you have a history of kidney stones, talk to your doctor before using, um, um, higher doses of vitamin C. And in our patients we just give them B6 and it stops that mechanism. Uh, we've never had a problem, uh, for those that have a history of kidney stones, if they needed more vitamin C, but for the rest of us, the only other concern, you take too much. It gives you diarrhea. So that's bowel tolerance levels. So there's a form of vitamin C called [inaudible], vitamin C, and you just take it in your mouth, it's absorbed immediately. It doesn't irritate your bowels at all. And you can kick up your blood values of vitamin C pretty easily. So for most people, the lyposomal vitamin C will bypass the, a sensitivity

Speaker 1: (50:28)
of getting too much vitamin C, uh, in your gut and getting diarrhea. Yeah, I was just, I was just given, um, by my friend Michelle, pero she came over, um, before, you know, before the shelter in place. But this was still going on. She says, here's a house gift. And it was like the Somol vitamin C and she explained that it's, it's so it gets into the cells so, well you don't need as much any other types of vitamin C? Exactly. Alright, so vitamin lip, liposomal vitamin C, uh, Zig site glycinate, glycinate, lycinate and D three, three [inaudible].

Speaker 1: (51:11)
Okay. So you've, you've, you've done the heavy lifting by getting together the brands that you think are best. We've got a link to it on our page year on our email. Would, depending on how you're getting this and is there anything else you want to tell and these, these help preventing one, going to two, preventing two, going to three. Uh, in terms of response, is that right? It's hard to use the word prevent, but support one, not going to too and to not going to three safer. And if you're at three, uh, really essential. Okay. Um, anything else you want to add? For those of us who are blossoming in places, just that we have to remember this as a lifestyle disease for those that get symptoms from it, whether it's your phase two or phase three and one of the things you can start right away until you can find a functional medicine or a complimentary medicine, holistic medicine, integrative medicine practitioner that you feel comfortable with.

Speaker 1: (52:21)
It's just started eating the colors of the rainbow. The rainbow diet is the most effective thing you can do was that in the deeper, the colors of the rainbow, the deeper the polyphenols, red raspberries, blue Barry's purple cabbage, you know, the more colors of the rainbow that you've got. Red tomatoes, green broccoli, the more colors of the rainbow, the more polyphenols and flavonoids that support your immune system. Some of these flavonoids actually prevent the virus from binding onto the H two receptor. So that is why you want to eat the colors of the rainbow is because nothing gives you as well rounded support as what's on the end of your fork. And I want to add that, make sure that what's on the end of your fork is organic. Because if it has glyphosate, the chief poison in Roundup as a residue, which is on a lot of food, glyphosate binds zinc, making it unavailable to the site.

Speaker 1: (53:28)
Right? Good point. It can promote leaky gut. So you can see that actually in Petri dishes he put glyphosate in human cell. That is all of a sudden it breaks apart the tight junctions. And there's also correlation between high levels of vitamin D deficiency and glyphosate use in the United States. And my friend, dr Stephanie Seneff has a whole pile of chemical model as to why that might be linked. Um, I can't, I'm not qualified to give that information out, but there's everything we've heard about so far. If you're taking these, these three triads and you're eating your call, your rainbow, but you're eating glyphosate and basically you're putting a, a, you're blocking the ability of the triad and the other products to do their job. So, um, I want to throw in my, my, uh, strong pitch that this is all on the basis of an organic diet.

And if you can't get organic, go to responsible technology.org and find out which products are sprayed with Roundup, which products are GMO and at least avoid those too. Uh, if you buy organic, you're not allowed to have either one officially, but if you can't, you've got to figure it out yourself and we help you. I think that's a really important message. And you know, people ask me about, well, I can't afford a filter. Should I be drinking water? And the answer is absolutely yes. Water is critically important. Polyphenols in the rainbow, fruits and vegetables are critically important. And yeah, if you don't have organic, you're throwing gasoline on the fire. Hopefully the polyphenols will be more putting out the fire, but you're throwing more gasoline on the fire, you know, so don't do organic everywhere you can. Uh, when you're out in restaurants, most of the time it's not organic.

What, what are you going to do? Bless the food and eat it. Right, but make sure you're doing the colors of the rainbow. Uh, critically important. Okay. All right. Thank you dr Tom. So we now have a whole new level that's going to be joining your tribe from this. We'll get this out in, in very many forms and I will be back to you because yeah, I just have to leave you alone for a few months and you come up with some whole new way of understanding the depth of, of the, what's the science people aren't putting together. You're easing it. I just want to say that you have an amazing capacity, two assimilate, lots of scientific knowledge and a brilliant way of making it into analogies, which John usually does and metaphors. I'm usually doing that with my interviews. I'm always looking for the man for that. I'm always doing that. And it's like, well, you know, I just shut up. I go, he's like, you're going to talk about the SWAT team or the, or the special forces or the machine gun. I don't have to make it up. I'll let you thank you for everything. Thank you. My friends, they feeding everyone.

This week's Transcript

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Speaker 1: (00:01)
Hi everyone. I'm Jeffrey Smith and I am founder of live healthy, be well and the Institute for responsible technology. I'm excited to bring you an interview with my friend, dr Tom O'Brien. I have seen dr Tom keep an entire room of physicians spellbound as he reveals to them the secrets that have been locked inside peer reviewed research that no one has teased down and put together in the way that he has. He's hosted the auto-immune docu-series called betrayal, the autoimmune disease solution. They're not telling you the gluten summit. He's the author of the book, the autoimmune fix and another one how to fix your brain. Now, Tom is a master researcher and also a master educator. He explains things in easy to understand language and he's going to share with you what he has discovered about covert 19 which many doctors don't know. In some cases the doctors know that we don't know and he's going to explain why.

Speaker 1: (01:04)
He has selected three particular supplements that he thinks are very important for us to have in our medicine cabinets right now. Liposomal vitamin C, zinc glycinate and mycellized vitamin D three. He's put them all together in what he calls the immune triad and there's a link in the notes section. Mmm four uh, purchasing the bundle at a discount if you'd like. So here I'm going to share with you just summarizing what it is that Tom and I discussed. So it's kind of tell him what you're going to tell him, tell him and tell him what you told him. But you can also just listen to the summary if you'd like. Approximately 50% of the people in the United States and other in many other places will be exposed to the covert 19 virus. Depending on which epidemiological research report you read, 50% is a lot. What happens next is all dependent on your immune system.

Speaker 1: (02:04)
Phase one you never knew you were exposed. Your immune system does the job that it was designed to do. It doesn't let this thing take hold. Phase two, the immune system was not capable of dealing with it completely. It had to call some reserve action. And so people after exposure get a little sore throat, maybe diarrhea, lung congestion, perhaps cough, possibly a fever, and then it goes away. Phase three smallest group. By far, the people have to go to the hospital. This is usually five to seven days after the first symptoms. The immune system can't handle it. Most of these people, 80% are sent home. The rest go to intensive care typically. Now according to a recent published study in the journal, the American medical association, Tom points out that they looked at over 5,000 people in New York. They were put on respirators at 88.1% of them died and he made the conclusion respirators don't work.

Speaker 1: (03:13)
So we don't want to get to that stage. And what's interesting is knowing that it's an immune system situation which determines which stage and that the immune system depends a great deal on lifestyle. This is actually a lifestyle disease. It's a lifestyle disease and it has what's called comorbidities. In other words, of the 88.1% of the people who died who were put on a respirator, almost every one of them had another disease, diabetes, particularly, uh, cardiovascular disease, including high blood pressure. They were obese, some had asthma or COPD. And these in turn are largely lifestyle diseases. So the death rate and the phase three, actually the entire choice of which phase you end up with is really an immune system slash lifestyle, um, situation. So it gives us power to make changes in our life so we can not feel like victims. Now let's go into the his immune triad.

Speaker 1: (04:21)
I'm going to just briefly talk about the vitamin D and the zinc and vitamin C. So vitamin D, um, one thing that he talked about was the mechanism of how food is processed through the intestinal walls into the blood system, blood stream. And that you said it's like, um, Panama canal, a certain one goes in and then it gate closes and then the immune system checks it out. Then it opens up and it goes in further and a gate closes in, the immune system, checks it out. And the Gates are controlled by vitamin D. If you don't have enough vitamin D, then those Gates systems can be malfunctioning and you can get leaky gut. And he talks about professor Alice, alas Alessio Fasano from Harvard who just wrote a paper titled all disease begins in the leaky gut. So if you don't have enough vitamin D, you can give rise to uh, immune system disorders, auto immune system disorders, inflammation, all sorts of diseases.

Speaker 1: (05:27)
So that's one place where vitamin D is needed. Now we also talked about one thing that maybe many people are already aware of and that is cytokine storm is one way that the immune system can ultimately kill us and its efforts to protect us from covert 19 now we actually have two different immune systems and innate immune system, which is the first responders and the adaptive immune system, which makes antibodies. Now, macrophages are part of the innate immune system. They fire a chemical bullet, but without sufficient vitamin D, the spring on the trigger can get stuck in the on position and the high powered rifle becomes a sub machine gun and then it's called a cytokine storm and it can cause death and the vitamin D can stop that from occurring. So since the cytokine storm is one of the ways in which covert 19 kills having sufficient levels of vitamin D is important, and he recommends the specific type of vitamin liquid, vitamin D three four to eight drops and not not all a man.

Speaker 1: (06:37)
He talks about zinc and zinc. He also talks about thinking hydro hydroxy chloroquine and quinine and malaria. The whole story. It's beautiful. Basically zinc prevents the D the, yeah. When it gets in the cell, when the zinc gets in the cell, it prevents the virus from shedding and reproducing. But what gets the zinc and the cell something called Ayana Ayana force. What is the zinc? Guyana for hydroxy chloroquine. A malaria drug is a zinc ion a four quinine from the fever tree as a zinc. I on a four and he talks about how gin and tonic was produced, was created by the British soldiers having their, um, quinine in India to prevent or treat malaria. So he actually, Tom and his wife, they actually drink quinine. He talks about it in the interview and gives you the particular name of the quinine and he says, there is no evidence the quinine, we'll protect you from the current virus.

Speaker 1: (07:32)
But there's the theory that because it's an Iona for if you take it along with having sufficient zinc in your system, then it can help the zinc get into position to do its job. And the zinc glycinate is a type he recommends. He said, don't take zinc forever because then it can interfere with copper. But for three to four weeks, taking 20 to 30 milligrams of zinc a day is just fine. Now, vitamin C is a huge immune booster. There was a study, it came out of China in February where they did high dose intravenous vitamin C with people on respirators and they were turned around in a single day. So vitamin C has potential according to the Chinese report. And quoted by Tom in this interview. Now, if you're genetically sensitive to develop kidney stones, speak to your doctor, listen to the interview first.

Speaker 1: (08:25)
And if you take too much of the normal vitamin C, it can give you diarrhea. But the form of vitamin C he recommends is called lyposomal and it's absorbed immediately. It doesn't irritate the bowels. Finally, uh, amazing story. Um, Finland and Denmark and Norway have a similar sized population, but Finland has only 20% of the covert cases. And Tom points out that 5.2 million people have 3 million saunas and they go back and forth. It's been two or three times a week. And the, they go in their salt or they go into coal, they go into sauna, go in the cold. And this is a similar therapy used by the seventh day Adventists and their hospitals during the 1918 pandemic flu. And they had a better success rate with people compared to anyone else. So maybe it's the hot cold therapy. And we did some research on saunas. We had a podcast and a Facebook live on Sonos. So if you're interested, there's a link to, uh, listen to the interview or purchase this on at a discount. So now that I've basically summarize the main points, I recommend listening in detail to Tom who does it much better with, much more, hi Nash stories, metaphors, analogies. And you'll want, you don't want to miss this because this is so important. Please share it with others as well.

Speaker 1: (00:01)
Hi everyone. This is Jeffrey Smith. I'm with my good friend, dr Tom. Dr Tom O'Bryan was introduced to me by my friend Hyla Cass when I said, who is the biggest gluten guru on the planet? I need, I have a uh, uh, hypothesis I need to run by. And she said, Oh, well, of course it's Tom O'Brien. You know, Tom, I didn't, so I called you Tom and we had a nice discussion. That was the first of what's become a relationship. That is, has been, it's has brought me to your home in Italy. And now I'm speaking to you in Costa Rica. You're in Costa Rica. I'm in California. Welcome Tom. No, thank you so much, Jeffrey. Always a pleasure. Now you are, have been studying carefully the [inaudible] 19 literature. I know from seeing you at conference after conference, you really comb through the peer reviewed public literature to get to the actual core of things.

Speaker 1: (00:56)
That's why one of the reasons you're so famous and so effective, and you've brought information about gluten, about information, about autoimmune disease. You have a book, the autoimmune fix you have, how to fix your brain. You did the betrayal series on auto immune disease and what they're not telling you, you did the gluten summit and you really, I've been guiding millions of people based on what's really in the science. And I know based on distilling it all, you have identified three specific products that you call the immune triad and we're going to make them available to people in the link below. But can you tell us what, what you have discovered, give us the benefit of your research into covert 19 what we need to know about how it works and how we can either treat or prevent it and what it, why you've selected this particular trial.

Speaker 2: (01:47)
You bet. You bet Jeffrey. And the first thing that people should know, um, most scientists are categorizing this as a three phased immune response. Now there's no question that at least 50% of us will be exposed to the virus. There's no question every epidemiologists agrees. And then the numbers debatable. I've seen 40% the literature I've seen 70% I just listened to the top epidemiologist in Sweden today at Karolinska Institute. He's, he says 50% so we know that at least somewhere around half the population will be exposed to this thing. That's how viruses work. But there are three phases to the immune response. Phase. One, you never knew that you were exposed, meaning your immune system does its job and doesn't let this thing get a hold and set up shop in your house and start shedding and producing more virus and making you sick. That's phase one.

Speaker 2: (02:50)
And that's the vast majority of people. We'll never know that they've been exposed unless they do a blood test looking for antibodies because your immune system will produce antibodies to protect you from any further exposures down the road. So that's phase one. Phase two, the people who get exposed, they get a little sore throat, they get a little diarrhea, they get a little lung congestion or a cough for a couple of days. Maybe they activate a fever, a hundred, 102 anything up to 104 is fine. Uh, that lasts for a day or two because your immune system wasn't capable of dealing with it completely. And it had to call him some reserve action, like a fever. The vast majority of people will have no response to this thing. No fever, no sore throats, no cough, no congestion. The vast majority, those whose immune systems are a little bit under the weather, not quite up to par but can rally.

Speaker 2: (03:54)
They're the ones that'll get a little fever, a little bit of symptoms for a few days, and then they're fine. Phase three are the people that have to go to the hospital and that number is usually five to seven days after first symptoms, first start appearing a little sore throat, a little bit of fever, and it doesn't go away. Five to seven days later, they're really sick. They have to go to the hospital. Those people, their immune systems just can't handle it all. And what we know about this cobot 19 symptom pattern, so the virus is called SARS dash cold cob to number two. That's the virus and covert 19 is that the name for this whole response that's occurred to it worldwide? And what we know is that anyone that goes and everybody agrees on this from phase two to phase three and I say from phase one to phase two, the only reason people go from phase two to phase three the only reason is that your immune system wasn't able to take care of it.

Speaker 2: (05:03)
Period. This is great because it, it takes the whole relationship between us and disease and gives us empowerment. It gives us an ability to say, what do I need to do to make sure it doesn't go to phase two or that doesn't go to phase three as opposed as opposed to this, you know, the, the monster under the bed or in the closet that that has some mysterious capacity to do harm. You've just in in one minute made it something that is, is actionable. Thank you. Yes, yes, yes and no doctor disagrees with that. That because that's just basic physiology. There's no magic problem here. It's that your immune system's not able to handle it, period. And we have two different immune systems. We have basically two different immune systems. The innate immune system, meaning the first responders and every animal on the planet has an innate immune system in humans.

Speaker 2: (06:06)
Um, uh, uh, it's pretty comprehensive, much more than an animals. But then we also have, have the adaptive immune system and most other animals on the planet don't. Some do, but most don't make antibodies. So it's the innate immune system that has to respond to something we're exposed to like a virus. They're the first responders and those that have to go to the hospital, of those that do, 80% of them were, were sent home if they're breathing. Okay, they're sent home. Yeah, you got a fever, you know, hear your take something forward. If it doesn't come down. And I did a whole series is called copy with dr Tom and uh, I did them every day for eight days with different topics like beavers. And here's all the studies as to why fevers are good for you. Here's all the studies as to why certain vitamins are good for you that we're going to talk about.

Speaker 2: (07:05)
Here's all the studies of why sauna is good for you. You know, in Finland, Finland, Denmark, and um, uh, Norway all have about 5 million people in their populations. Uh, 5.2, 5.4, but they're all about the same in population. But Finland has less than 20%. Was it 20 some percent of the problems of people getting sick with exposure to this virus compared to Denmark and Norway, they have the same percent population. What's so different about Finland? There's 5 million people in Finland, 5.2 million people in Finland and 3 million saunas. And these people live in a culture where they do saunas couple, three times a week and then they jump into cold water and then they go back into the sauna again and then they go and cold water one more time. And then they go back in the hot again. And then I show you the studies of how that hot therapy, they started that it comes from seventh day Adventists and their hospitals and what they did in the 1918 pandemic flu and why their hospitals had much better success rates with people getting well who are sick compared to anybody else.

Speaker 2: (08:23)
And you read the studies on that and you go, wow, really? So doing full mentations, which is like AIPAC on your chest and there's a way of doing it and all that. That really helps. Yeah. Here's the studies and then you see the current studies about saunas and what they do. So anyway, we did all that. It's coffees with dr Tom. It's all free. You know, is that the dr com forward slash coffee and you, you, you, you can watch them there. Now I'm doing every Monday, 9:00 AM Pacific. So I'm doing a little plug here, you know, of course, because they're there, they're really great and they're right. And um, uh, so there is a mechanism of how to help your immune system do better. So the first takeaway, this thing keeps falling out. So the first takeaway is that if you get sick to any degree, it's because your immune system fell down on the job.

Speaker 2: (09:18)
So if you get just a little fever and then you're fine couple of days later, which was great, high five way to go, just recognize when this is all done, what can I do to help support my immune system to get a little bit stronger? Right? Not that you're sick right now or anything. It did its job to a degree, but you, you, you needed to bring up the reserves to do it. So what can I do so that my innate immune response is adequate by itself without having to call up the reserves that would be worthwhile to protect you in the future. That's just a little Pearl takeaway so that those that went to the hospital, 80% of them got sent home. The 20% that were admitted moved on to have to go into intensive care. They, they were admitted into intensive care. Then if they needed a respirator, they published a study in the journal of American medical association last week and they looked at over 5,000 people in New York.

Speaker 2: (10:16)
It had to be put on respirators. 88.1% of them died. Respirators don't work with this. That's amazing. Yeah. Jaw-dropping statistic in the journal, the American medical association, this just came out. Wow. So anything you can do to prevent yourself from getting so sick that you have to go to phase three and go to the hospital is going to be a value. Anything you can do is going to be helpful. So it will be a value for people to learn about saunas and the benefits of saunas to learn about fomentation packs and you know, putting hot packs on to learn about castor oil packs. Now they're not going to cure a COBIT 19 but they help to support your immune system so that when you need Oh sharp teeth on your Pac-Man going through your system, you got sharp teeth because you're following Wim Hoff. For example, this guy is Matt, case guy when hot w M H O, F, F who teaches about, he walked up to Everest without oxygen tanks in a pair of shorts.

Speaker 2: (11:32)
I mean, unbelievable what this guy does. He teaches people how to avoid the coal or how to be at peace in the coal, not avoid the coal. And what you learn is that you strengthen your immune system when you do that. So taking cold showers, I mean there was a way of doing it, but learning about things like that and it might help this, it might help this much, you know? But the things that are rational, that helped. Great. So, I'm sorry, I don't mean to get off track here, but they all relate. So what we're dealing with right now, cause you need to be empowered. You need to learn how to get the files that sharpen the teeth on your pack man and your innate immune system to chew up and get rid of any bacteria, any viruses you're exposed to to keep them in check so they can't rear their ugly heads and take over.

Speaker 2: (12:23)
So that's really important for all of us to learn. The last part of all this and why was going down this line of thinking is that there's no question that this current response to viral exposure is determined by your lifestyle because it's lifestyle that determines the strength of your immune system. Yeah. Some people have genetics that make them vulnerable to an autoimmune disease. That means your immune system's attacking your own tissue, but you've got to turn those genes on for them to make you vulnerable to autoimmune disease like celiac. Don't eat wheat if you've got the genes for celiac, right? And so you have to have the trigger that turns on the gene. So your immune system function is determined by how you live your life. This is a lifestyle situation. And if you went to phase two, or hopefully you didn't, but if you went to base three and you're okay now, which is great, high five to you, you're okay.

Speaker 2: (13:26)
You need to recognize lifestyle is what put you in phase two or phase three so that you evaluate in your future. What am I doing that really, I know I shouldn't eat too much of dot, dot, dot. Don't eat that stuff. Or yeah, you know, I got my blood sugars a little fluctuating. Learn how to get it under control. You know, spend the time to do that because this is a lifestyle disease. This is not something that you don't have control over. This is a lifestyle disease. So with all that said, there are three nutrients that I consider essential. There's a lot more that have really good science that is are beneficial, but these three have shown to be essential and they are vitamin C, zinc and vitamin D. Now let's take zinc first. Zinc is the only nutrient shown that stops the virus in its tracks from shedding.

Speaker 2: (14:32)
Now what happens, this virus has a way of getting inside yourselves, not just in your body. You know, you breathe it in, uh, or it gets in your gut cause you grabbed some, you ate something that had some virus on, somebody coughed in a room or you know, however you got exposed. But the virus in your bloodstream is not a problem. The virus has to get inside yourselves, whether it's a Mmm brain cell or a kidney cell or a lung cell. The lung cells are most common. That's why you get lung problems. But the virus, it has to get inside the cell. And it does that. There's a receptor receptors, like a catcher, Smith sitting on the outside of the cell and the blood's going by and the virus gets attracted to one particular receptor. It's called the [inaudible] receptor. I think there's millions of people now that have heard the word ACE too.

Speaker 2: (15:30)
But I love your, your catcher's Mitt. Oh, your baseball Mitt analogy for receptors. And that's perfect. Go ahead. Yeah. Yeah. And vitamin D also goes through the ACE two receptor. So some people have said, don't take vitamin D because it might help the virus get inside the cell. And some people who I respect quite a bit started saying that. So I wrote to them, I said, why are you saying that? Send me the science. And there was some guy who put together some studies and um, I looked at the studies and what it said was it shares a receptor, the receptor. And I said, Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, that's interesting. But where's the evidence that it's a problem? There was no evidence. So I reached down to the three top vitamin D experts in the world. One in Boston, one university of Chicago, one at Karolinska in Sweden.

Speaker 2: (16:25)
I introduced myself and I said, I understand that, um, uh, this virus, uh, uh, penetrates the cell through the ACE two receptor and that, um, a shared compound that goes through the ACE two receptors, vitamin D, is there any evidence that having adequate and robust vitamin D levels will accelerate the penetration of the virus into the cell and all three of them separately? You know, because I sent the request out to all three minutes at the same time, within about an hour. All three of them came back within a day and said, although the theory is rational in its logic, there was no evidence of such a relationship. So it doesn't make sense. Especially when I tell you about vitamin D how important it is. Right? We get, actually, I've actually heard that concept from some people that said, no vitamin D because of this and, and I'm glad you clarified that. There's no evidence that it's a scenery but not supported by evidence. Right. It's true. They share the same catcher's Mitt. It's true. You know, you, you, you can throw a fastball into a catcher's Mitt and then you can throw a curve ball into a catcher. Smith, right. They both go into the mid. Okay. It doesn't mean that if you throw a fastball, the curve ball is going to get in faster. Yeah. I know. It didn't, it didn't make sense to me with the catchers in a minute. The mid

Speaker 1: (17:50)
analogy. And thank you for further clarifying.

Speaker 2: (17:54)
Uh, so vitamin D, there are hundreds and hundreds of studies that show the benefit of vitamin D to your immune system. And I'm not exaggerating, there was a lot, but the one that probably, well, there's a couple that stand out and the first one is a

Speaker 1: (18:11)
Mmm.

Speaker 2: (18:14)
We've all heard of leaky gut and most of us who have been following this have heard of the number one researcher in the world who identified the mechanism that causes leaky gut. Professor Alessio Fasano,

Speaker 1: (18:28)
you said Harvard. He chairs, uh, pediatric gastroenterology at mass general at Harvard, and he,

Speaker 2: (18:35)
uh, is the head of the department of mucosal immunology. That means the lining of your lungs, the lining of your gut.

Speaker 1: (18:42)
He chairs that department. He just wrote a paper. And, and Jeff as you know, guys of that nature, they're really careful of everything they say.

Speaker 2: (18:53)
Oh yeah. Cause they're, they're going to be quoted and misquoted. So they're always cautious on what they say.

Speaker 1: (18:59)
He just published a paper early January, uh, January 31st it came out w

Speaker 2: (19:05)
nothing to do with this virus. And the paper is titled all disease begins in the leak, in quotes, leaky

Speaker 1: (19:15)
gut,

Speaker 2: (19:16)
all disease begins the leaky gut coming from Fasano. That's the title of the paper. Yeah. That means well, what about ms? All disease. What about depression? All disease. What about anxiety? All disease. What about a compromised immune system? All disease.

Speaker 1: (19:34)
Wow. You know, you and I haven't interviewed each other since this came out and we've been talking about leaky gut with some analogies and fun ways of describing the immune systems. Uh, auto immune disease and inflammation reaction and the, and all that. And there's always, there's always the sense that well, mainstream medicine has not yet recognized leaky gut. And it's in the way that functional medicine practitioners have in the way that you have. And it's like, I remember talking to someone or listening to some, somebody says, we don't have to talk about leaky gut. Everyone who is putting attention on it knows it's important. And it was dismissing the fact that Western medicine hasn't gotten there yet. But now you're telling me that the, the, the man who has been associated with this in our Arvard is like saying, grabbing everyone by the jowls and saying, pay attention everyone. So congratulations because you've been talking about this for years and years now it's, you have amazing support from someone who's highly recognized from Western medicine,

Speaker 2: (20:51)
a white tower. Right, right, right. The white tower. I agreed and I thank you for that. And you know, as you have the poster behind you, um, secret ingredients, I never thought of this, but I think I'm going to do it when, when I can get, I can't here in Costa Rica right now, but I'm going to get the front page of two research articles blown up to poster size. One of them is uh, this one from professor Paisano cause he outlines in in the paper the five-step mechanism in the development of these diseases of uh, of our lifestyle, these uh, current, um, auto immune diseases that we get. It's a five step process but the front page of that one. And then the other one is the front page of the article that said, and I don't remember the exact title, but it was, the answer is 17 years.

Speaker 2: (21:46)
That part is the first part of the title. And then the second part, I don't remember, but it's 17 years from when translational research is first published before the doc down the street is using the information in his practice. Wow. 17 years is the average, not the exception. Professor Fasano, I first identified the mechanism of intestinal permeability in 1997 and now it's finally coming to be recognized as a primary mechanism in the development diseases. So let's, let's get back to our topic. So if you want to know about leaky gut, just think of, you know, two cells in the intestines side-by-side. Or if we use my fingers as cells here, and then the space between them is how the food gets into our bloodstream from the intestines. You know, the intestines, mrs patient, your intestines are a tube from the mouth to the other end when big long tube winds around in the center there.

Speaker 2: (22:51)
And uh, if you could take a donut and stretch a doughnut out and look down the center of the donut, that's your digestive tract. That's your intestines. One big long doughnut. You swallow food, it's in the donut. It's not in your body yet. It's gotta be broken down really small to get through the walls of the doughnut into your bloodstream. And that occurs when the food's broken down. Small enough to fit between your fingers, right? So when the cells open up to let a little bit of food go between them, it's like the Panama canal, that one gate opens, food goes in a little bit, the gate closes, the immune system checks it out. Now the next gate opens, the food goes down a little further. That gate closes, the immune system, checks it out. And when you see pictures of this, it's really cool cause that's exactly what happened.

Speaker 2: (23:43)
And the Gates of the Panama canal, the Gates are completely controlled by vitamin D. That's how critically important vitamin D is. And the geek term is modulator paracellular permeability. Vitamin D modulates paracellular permeability, intestinal permeability and blood brain barrier permeability and lung permeability. But it's vitamin D that opens and closes the Gates. So when the Gates gets stuck in the open position, because you've got a vitamin D insufficiency or deficiency, you got leaky gut. That's the mechanism by which these big molecules get into the bloodstream way too early. And your immune system trying to protect you fights them. Now you develop whatever disease auto immune disease is your genetic vulnerability because all this inflammation is going on in your body and there's more steps to it in that. But that's the mechanism and it's all controlled. The Gates of the Panama canal are controlled by vitamin D.

Speaker 2: (24:48)
So that's critically important right now because every single person, I shouldn't say that, but of the 88.1% of people who died, uh, put it on a respirator in New York, and this last couple of months as just published in the journal, the American medical association of the 88.1% of them, almost every one of them had a comorbidity. What does that mean? They had diabetes, they had high blood pressure, they were obese. One study that came out of China showed if you're obese, meaning body fat greater than 30%, not huge. You know, you don't have to be this way, obese. It's inside your body. You're obese. Skinny people can be obese if their body composition is way off. If you're obese, you had a 3.4 fold, increased risk of mortality with a sorrows Cove too, 3.4 fold, three almost three and a half times more likely to die because you're obese, high blood pressure, diabetes, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease.

Speaker 2: (25:55)
Uh, and there was one more, I'm not remembering, but almost every one that died had one of these five conditions, which are all diseases of lifestyle and the life we've lived up to this point creates the vulnerabilities we have. So if you're phase two, this is a wake up call, strengthen your immune system. Now the other thing about vitamin D that's really important, and I love this one. This is, uh, I'm sorry, I hope it's okay that you know, we're going longer than 15 minutes. People who listened to our work in our, in our emails, they want the details, they want to be able to tell the stories to others. And that's why you've been so popular with our, with our lists. Thanks. Okay, this will blow you away. Really, really blew me away. 2004, I read a paper, they found four people buried in the Arctic Tundra on an army base who died in the 1918 Spanish pandemic flu.

Speaker 2: (26:58)
And they said, let's dig them up and figure out why they died. No, no, no. Don't expose the virus. It's in the Tundra. Cause if they're buried in ice, their bodies are preserved, right? But they dug them up and they found out they died because of what's called a cytokine storm. But we've heard of this now, this cytokine storm thing, what does that mean? Macrophages are part of the innate immune system. The first responders and what macrophages do, something gets into your lungs or into your gut. They fire a chemical bullet. They're like special forces. They've got high powered rifles and they fire a chemical bullet that destroys whatever that bacteria is or that virus. That's their job. What they found out with these people was that their macrophages went crazy and the high powered rifle, the spring on the trigger got stuck in the on position and the high powered rifle became a sub machine gun. [inaudible]

Speaker 2: (28:04)
and that's what a cytokine storm is, is your macrophage is going crazy on you. You know that song was at Abba. I don't know who's crazy on you. That's it's what you're doing in your lungs when you have a cytokine storm. Just think of that song, play that song, and just listen to the high pitch whine. And you know, I'm dating myself. But that's really, that's really what it's like. Your immune system is just going crazy. Well, when I read that, I said, why does that happen? What's that about? And 2005 a year later, a paper that gets published in the journal blood, which was a really good journal, and they looked at this situation. What did they find? They found, see there's a couple of different forms of vitamin D. The sun converts hormones in your skin. Two 25 hydroxy D and that's the one that most blood tests look for. 25 hydroxy D gets converted in your, uh, kidneys and in your lungs and other tissue to one 25 hydroxy D. And that's the active form of vitamin D. What they found out was that when macrophages got activated to fight something, when you pull the trigger to fight something, macrophages convert 25 hydroxy D to one 25 hydroxy D the macrophages do it in your immune system, which then suppresses the function of the macrophages, meaning shuts down or suppresses the production of the bullets.

Speaker 1: (29:53)
So, in other words, the Mac, the macrophages are, they're saying, I'm going to keep shooting until I get the signal that we've have enough bullets out there doing the job. When there's enough bullets out there it is. Okay. And then it waits and then, and then, and then when there's, it's like a homeostasis feedback loop when it since settles down and there's not a note. If it goes up, I got my job again and it shoots and then awaits.

Speaker 2: (30:16)
That's exactly right. And it's, it's really good the way you said that. Um, the analogy I use is, you know, if you're driving down the Hill, you better have your foot on the brake, right? Or is she going to go flying too fast? Right. So you have to hit the break every once in a while, you're driving downhill. Macrophages stimulate the conversion of 25 to one 25 which suppresses macrophage function. It's keeping the foot on the brake so that you don't over respond. Right? So that's what happens in a cytokine storm. Your brakes go out, you're driving down a Hill and the brakes go out. BA cause there's no brakes. So you need enough vitamin D, you need enough one 25 in your, and they found that the regular macrophages, they don't convert 25 to one 25 they don't do it only when they're activated. Only when you pull the trigger. Does this mechanism occur because as you said, you know it's a little safety system. It's a feedback loop.

Speaker 1: (31:20)
So there is, there is one 25 there, but the macrophages are unable to figure out what's going on and they lose

Speaker 2: (31:28)
no, no, no, no. There was not one 25 the macrophages convert the 25 to one 25 which automatically then becomes a break.

Speaker 1: (31:38)
So what's happening is it's filling up with 25 and 25 and 25 and 25 and it's not converting to one 25

Speaker 2: (31:45)
we've always got 25 circulating. If you have enough vitamin D. Right. And the macrophages that are just circulating that are kind of like the Scouts walking around, they don't have any one 25 minutes there. They're not producing one 25 well, when the Scouts get activated to pull the trigger, it's like a feedback loop. Inside of them. They start making one 25 why? Because it's the break so that you don't over respond to the situation. It's so cool. You know, and I

Speaker 1: (32:16)
no, I've known that. How does the site, what's the mechanism for the cytokine storm? Where, where it's stuck in the, in the on position,

Speaker 2: (32:22)
there's no break. You're bringing your bracelet. You know, I had 13 cars when I was an undergrad, all under a hundred dollars. I didn't have any money. I was working my way through school. You know, sometimes the brakes go out, you know, you better have backup plans. Right? Right. So that's what happens if you have a vitamin D insufficiency or deficiency, you run the risk of not having a break when you're driving downhill. I see. So without the vitamin D you need enough vitamin D to so it can be converted to one 25 so that it can stop the micro fasion when there's not enough regulate modulator. The Mac, the macrophage. Alright. So, so this, this demonstrates that the entire cytokine storm, the stuck in position of the on switch for the machine gun is entirely blamed on the lack of the one 25 which is blamed and the lack of available vitamin D no, no, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope.

Speaker 2: (33:23)
It's not entirely, I never, ever want to say that. It's actually, this is a mechanism, right? This is an identified mechanism that most physicians don't know about. Okay. They don't know about this. So this is something that, so, uh, my takeaway from this information is make sure your vitamin D levels are accurate, adequate, just make sure they're adequate. And you know, on a range, any reference range for nutrient levels is the minimum. And then there's a maximum. And the minimum is where the RDA is the recommended daily allowance. This is the minimum amount you need so that you don't have a disease. So if you have a disease like diabetes, diabetes, kidney disease, something like that, then your level is going to be on this side, it's going to be low. Right? And that's how they determine what the RDA is. So when you do blood tests, there's no evidence of disease.

Speaker 2: (34:22)
If all these people have X amount and there's no disease, that's the minimum. Let's make sure that they take that. I want the high end of the reference range. I want to be out here robust and vibrant and healthy with lots of reserves if I need them. So that's the difference. You know, that's the argument. People say, well, I don't need to take vitamins. I just eat not enough food. That was, okay. Well that's a different discussion. So you just want to make sure, and what we recommend with vitamin D is that you're between, uh, 50 and 70 to 75 nanograms per milliliter. NG per ML is what the, uh, uh, measuring markers are for vitamin D and 50 to 75. If you're in the U S that's the Mo, the marker. If you're outside the U S some other places use nanomoles per liter and you can convert it online easily to, uh, uh, to see how it compares to 50 to 75 nanograms.

Speaker 2: (35:23)
Right? So that's the goal. And everybody should get a vitamin D test everybody. And there's great vitamin D tests that are fingerprint tests just to fingerprint. No, they mail it to you, you fingerprint, put it out there, let it on that blot, mail it back and you get your results. So you have, you have a immune triad or vitamin D is one of the components, right? And I know you're not just a random pick a pick a supplement off the shelf kind of guy. Um, you're a formulator, you're, um, you're a pioneer in supplementation. You've developed some amazing things that we've talked about in the past. Why did you select or develop? I don't know which the vitamin D mycellized vitamin D, right? Mycellized any vitamin D is better than none any, you know, you just get your blood levels up. Mycellized vitamin D, it's a form.

Speaker 2: (36:17)
It's really tiny. And so it's absorbed really easily so you get more bang for your buck. The goal is that you want your vitamin D between 50 and 75 nanograms. And so whatever it takes to get it there. But when you use mycellized vitamin D, what the studies have shown is that you increase your blood value of 25 hydroxy vitamin D five times more then if you use emulsified vitamin D. Now there's nothing wrong with emulsified. It works. You just gotta you take five times, you know, my saliva increases your levels five times higher than emulsified. So it's, it's easier, you know, put a few drops on your tongue, boom, it's gone. Yeah. And so I'd like it. I'd like it a lot. We've used it for years. It's very effective and it works well. The only side time that mycellized is not desired is when you want more vitamin D for the Gates of the Panama canal.

Speaker 2: (37:17)
In that situation, I want the vitamin D going down to the gut. I don't want it so much in the bloodstream where a tiny amount will eventually get to the Gates of the canal. I want large portions right there to be absorbed and utilized. So in those cases, when we're dealing with fixing leaky guts, we'll give them a tablet of vitamin D. Uh, it's part of our GS packs and it's 5,000 units. Then you take that every day. And so it's really easily available for the Gates of the canal. But in terms of your immune system, right, there are a couple of drops on your tongue under your tongue. Boom, it's in and it goes to work right away. That's why we use the mycellized vitamin D one drop is 1200 international units. And so I tell people take Hey, four to eight drops depending on their body weight, uh, and depending on, uh, what their blood values were.

Speaker 2: (38:14)
And right now a study came out in early March about this current virus thing. And I said, if you don't know what your vitamin D levels are, take 10,000. I, uh, I use a day for two weeks and then drop it down to 5,000. This was for adults. So if it's a child, this is the imaginary 150 pound adult. So if it's a child, just drop dose by weight, but 10,000 units a day for two weeks and drop it down to 5,000. Very safe, not going to be a problem for anybody, and you're helping to ensure you've got enough raw material there to keep a brake on. When your macro bulges get activated, that's a critical component. Now we started going into zinc, but then all of a sudden that went off somewhere in the squirrel.

Speaker 2: (39:07)
So I'm real and back in right, I think is pretty cool. I really liked this one that I went into in detail in my copy, you know, with dr Tom thing. Um, um, why did the government in early March, early to mid March, a fast track approval for hydroxy chloroquine, uh, for this viral thing, hydroxychloroquine is a drug that's recommended for, uh, malaria and they've been using it for 60 years and they know the safety of it and all that, and it got fast-tracked. Why? To get a pass track because this virus works very similarly to get inside the cell and to do its nasty work just like malaria does. So how does hydroxy chloroquine work? Hydroxy chloroquine is a zinc Ayana for, that's a great Scrabble word. And what it means is escorts, zinc inside the cell, that zinc is critically important, but in your bloodstream, it's good to have it, but that ain't where the action is.

Speaker 2: (40:18)
You've got to get the zinc inside the cell, and usually zinc gets inside the cell pretty well. Uh, but if you're low on sank and there's not that much around, as an example, hydroxy chloroquine grabs what's in your bloodstream and escorts it inside the cell. What happens then? The virus can't shed. The virus can't reproduce. The virus can't penetrate your DNA and take over that cell. Zinc is the key. There is no other nutrient in the world has been shown to be a direct inhibitor of viral shedding and reproducing. Except for zinc. Yeah, there's rotavirus or for all viruses. Oh, virus. So as far as I know now, now I'm not a virologist, so I shouldn't say all viruses, but that's how zinc works to support your immune system when it gets inside the cell. That's one of the mechanisms. Anyway, there are many, but this is what very important one, when zincs inside the cell, the virus can't shed and penetrate into your own DNA.

Speaker 2: (41:19)
So it can't go anywhere. And hydroxy chloroquine helps to get zinc inside the cell. The term for that is Ayana for, is it anything other than I auto for it? Does the hydroxychloroquine do anything other present into the cell? It does. I'm sure it does. But this is the primary mechanism. So this is the brain. This is amazing. You know, I've heard of a hydroxy chloroquine, you know, people are just going crazy about this question, but you know, that's a patent, a drug that's a pharmaceutical. Um, and of course it's not big. I mean, it's been around for so long. It's probably off patent and generic. And so people aren't making money from it. And there's that issue. But I haven't been hearing her hearing about the zinc connection. Every time we talk about the hydroxy chloroquine. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I mean, this is why, you know, in the late 18 hundreds the British soldiers in India were given quinine to take quinine, comes from the chinchona tree, the fever tree, and it's a zinc Ayana for.

Speaker 2: (42:22)
So quinine and hydroxy chloroquine was the pharmaceutical attempt to reproduce and be more efficient than quinine. Well, that's why hydroxy chloroquine got produced. Alright, so now wait, wait, wait, wait. This is very cool. Okay, so quinine from the fever tree is really bitter. And if you want to see some interests, then you just Google bitter and COBIT 19 and look at the studies on bitters and how they reduce the effects of virus. Just because bitter receptors are not just on your tongue, they're in your kidneys, they're in your immune system, they're throughout your body. So when you take bitters, it's not just stimulating the receptor, the catcher's Smith's on your tongue, it goes through your system. So quinine was really just this nasty tasting stuff. So what did the British soldiers do? They took a little water, a little bit of sugar, put a little fruit in there.

Speaker 2: (43:24)
And that's where the song, just a little bit of sugar helps the medicine go down, came from the Julie Andrews song in sound of music or wherever it was. It was Mary Poppins. Okay. It was Ray Poppins, but also they would mix it with alcohol. Right, right. Well that's the next part of this, but, but that's where this thing came from. So the British soldiers got permission for a teaspoon of gin with it and thus was born the gin and tonic tonic water tonic water is quinine and water and a little bit of sugar and a little bit of a uh, uh, fruits. So that's tough. Tonic water. Now the dosing and the hydroxy chloroquine is about 550 milligrams, I believe it was of quinine quinine equivalent, whereas tonic water has 83 milligrams of quinine in it. So my wife and I are taking tonic water.

Speaker 2: (44:23)
There's no evidence it has anything to do to protect you from this current virus. There was no evidence, but it sure as hell is not going to hurt you. And quinine is known to be a zinc Ayana for so. So you recommend not only taking the zinc and I'll ask you about which form of zinc in a minute because I know will be random, but why does well have your, your non gin and tonic at the same time? You can have it exactly right. Exactly. However, there are a lot of copycat tonic waters out there that don't have quinine. They just have, you know, artificial flavorings to reproduce the taste because it's cheaper for them to do that. And when you get the real stuff, then it says quinine on it. Good, good. But it's so bitter. Usually there's a ton of sugar in there, so you gotta be really careful.

Speaker 2: (45:14)
And so there is a quinine light, a Mac, quinine light, uh, Beaver tree, which is a company also, not just the name of the tree. Um, they have five different tonic waters. One of them is, uh, Indian flavor. So whatever the spices are they use, but there's an Indian light that has half the sugar. So we just came back from going into the capital of Costa Rica and I called her order at a time, two cases of Indian light, and they had to order it. It took about a week to get it in, right? But we got two cases of Indian light tonic water because it's less sugar, but it's quinine. So you know, we'll, we'll take a little quinine. It's fine. It's safe, effective. Maybe we'll see if taking it with the zinc so that it has the Iona four can have something to exactly escort in there.

Speaker 2: (46:02)
You want to make sure that you have enough zinc and it's hard to get enough sink. You know, it was hard. I mean, oysters are known as a high source of saying, but not everybody eats oysters. Pumpkin seeds. I haven't seen just Google, uh, foods with zinc and print out the list and just include some of those foods to make sure that you're getting some. But right now, during this time, I'm wrecking to all of my patients take a little extra zinc and the zinc we recommend is zinc glycinate. Why? Because glycine is the escort to get the zinc absorbed through your intestines. And glycine is the smallest amino acid that's used for any nutrients to help carry them, escort them into the cells. And um, so you absorb more with zinc glycinate. So that's why we recommend, but any, there's 18 different kinds of saying anything is better than nosing.

Speaker 2: (46:54)
Alright. And um, there was a study that came out early in the course of all this sometime in February, talking about throat lozenges, zinc lozenges and how helpful they are. There they are. And you can get them at any pharmacy, you know, but they're loaded with sugar and crap, you know, a chemical, um, food dyes and stuff. But they will help. If there's nothing else available, they will help. But we like zinc glycinate because it's absorbed so easily. And in general, you don't want to take zinc forever because if you have too much zinc, it can interfere with copper and then you can, and you don't feel symptoms until some serious things can happen down the road, months and months down the road. But for three, four weeks, taking 20, 30 milligrams of zinc a day is just fine. There's no complications at all. So right now in this time when you want to make sure you've got adequate amount of zinc, um, in your diet, um, I'd recommend a zinc glycinate one a day. All right,

Speaker 1: (47:52)
question number. Next question. So we understand that the zinc helps stop the spreading of the virus and that the vitamin D helps the immune system deal with the virus without causing a cytokine storm. The triad has a third one and that's vitamin C. Where does that come in?

Speaker 2: (48:14)
Vitamin C has been known. Oh my gosh. You know, you'd go back to Linus Pauling, the only man to ever win two Nobel prizes. And uh, uh, I've got a video of professor Pauling, he was in his eighties, got a little black bra on really cute and he's being interviewed. He says, yes, yes, yes. My wife and I take 18,000 milligrams of vitamin C every day and when we get old we'll take more. And he was in his eighties. It was great. It was great. Um, there are just hundreds and hundreds of studies of the essential nature of vitamin C in sharpening the teeth of your pack mat in your innate immune system. And a study started coming out of China towards the early to mid part of February on high dosing, vitamin C with IVs, turning these people around in one day. Wow. So there's no question and these were people on respirators, there's no question that vitamin C is a support to your immune system.

Speaker 2: (49:22)
So the question is how much vitamin C to take, you know, and uh, is it safe? Yes, it's safe. The worst thing that can happen, there's two things. One, there, there are those that are genetically sensitive to developing kidney stones. So if you have a history of kidney stones, talk to your doctor before using, um, um, higher doses of vitamin C. And in our patients we just give them B6 and it stops that mechanism. Uh, we've never had a problem, uh, for those that have a history of kidney stones, if they needed more vitamin C, but for the rest of us, the only other concern, you take too much. It gives you diarrhea. So that's bowel tolerance levels. So there's a form of vitamin C called [inaudible], vitamin C, and you just take it in your mouth, it's absorbed immediately. It doesn't irritate your bowels at all. And you can kick up your blood values of vitamin C pretty easily. So for most people, the lyposomal vitamin C will bypass the, a sensitivity

Speaker 1: (50:28)
of getting too much vitamin C, uh, in your gut and getting diarrhea. Yeah, I was just, I was just given, um, by my friend Michelle, pero she came over, um, before, you know, before the shelter in place. But this was still going on. She says, here's a house gift. And it was like the Somol vitamin C and she explained that it's, it's so it gets into the cells so, well you don't need as much any other types of vitamin C? Exactly. Alright, so vitamin lip, liposomal vitamin C, uh, Zig site glycinate, glycinate, lycinate and D three, three [inaudible].

Speaker 1: (51:11)
Okay. So you've, you've, you've done the heavy lifting by getting together the brands that you think are best. We've got a link to it on our page year on our email. Would, depending on how you're getting this and is there anything else you want to tell and these, these help preventing one, going to two, preventing two, going to three. Uh, in terms of response, is that right? It's hard to use the word prevent, but support one, not going to too and to not going to three safer. And if you're at three, uh, really essential. Okay. Um, anything else you want to add? For those of us who are blossoming in places, just that we have to remember this as a lifestyle disease for those that get symptoms from it, whether it's your phase two or phase three and one of the things you can start right away until you can find a functional medicine or a complimentary medicine, holistic medicine, integrative medicine practitioner that you feel comfortable with.

Speaker 1: (52:21)
It's just started eating the colors of the rainbow. The rainbow diet is the most effective thing you can do was that in the deeper, the colors of the rainbow, the deeper the polyphenols, red raspberries, blue Barry's purple cabbage, you know, the more colors of the rainbow that you've got. Red tomatoes, green broccoli, the more colors of the rainbow, the more polyphenols and flavonoids that support your immune system. Some of these flavonoids actually prevent the virus from binding onto the H two receptor. So that is why you want to eat the colors of the rainbow is because nothing gives you as well rounded support as what's on the end of your fork. And I want to add that, make sure that what's on the end of your fork is organic. Because if it has glyphosate, the chief poison in Roundup as a residue, which is on a lot of food, glyphosate binds zinc, making it unavailable to the site.

Speaker 1: (53:28)
Right? Good point. It can promote leaky gut. So you can see that actually in Petri dishes he put glyphosate in human cell. That is all of a sudden it breaks apart the tight junctions. And there's also correlation between high levels of vitamin D deficiency and glyphosate use in the United States. And my friend, dr Stephanie Seneff has a whole pile of chemical model as to why that might be linked. Um, I can't, I'm not qualified to give that information out, but there's everything we've heard about so far. If you're taking these, these three triads and you're eating your call, your rainbow, but you're eating glyphosate and basically you're putting a, a, you're blocking the ability of the triad and the other products to do their job. So, um, I want to throw in my, my, uh, strong pitch that this is all on the basis of an organic diet.

And if you can't get organic, go to responsible technology.org and find out which products are sprayed with Roundup, which products are GMO and at least avoid those too. Uh, if you buy organic, you're not allowed to have either one officially, but if you can't, you've got to figure it out yourself and we help you. I think that's a really important message. And you know, people ask me about, well, I can't afford a filter. Should I be drinking water? And the answer is absolutely yes. Water is critically important. Polyphenols in the rainbow, fruits and vegetables are critically important. And yeah, if you don't have organic, you're throwing gasoline on the fire. Hopefully the polyphenols will be more putting out the fire, but you're throwing more gasoline on the fire, you know, so don't do organic everywhere you can. Uh, when you're out in restaurants, most of the time it's not organic.

What, what are you going to do? Bless the food and eat it. Right, but make sure you're doing the colors of the rainbow. Uh, critically important. Okay. All right. Thank you dr Tom. So we now have a whole new level that's going to be joining your tribe from this. We'll get this out in, in very many forms and I will be back to you because yeah, I just have to leave you alone for a few months and you come up with some whole new way of understanding the depth of, of the, what's the science people aren't putting together. You're easing it. I just want to say that you have an amazing capacity, two assimilate, lots of scientific knowledge and a brilliant way of making it into analogies, which John usually does and metaphors. I'm usually doing that with my interviews. I'm always looking for the man for that. I'm always doing that. And it's like, well, you know, I just shut up. I go, he's like, you're going to talk about the SWAT team or the, or the special forces or the machine gun. I don't have to make it up. I'll let you thank you for everything. Thank you. My friends, they feeding everyone.

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