[3:29] Dr. Zach Bush introduces the work that lead him to discovering Restore. He explains the science behind why GMOs and Roundup are so detrimental to our health on a cellular level. 

[7:34] “He was the one that realized that we must have found something fundamental to the human nutrition problem when we were seeing so many beneficial effects.”

[7:54} "We found - there's something nature is telling us that's way more profound than cancer or anything to treat cancer. This is telling us about how the biology of the outside world - the bacteria, the fungi, the viruses, all of that huge micro-ecosystem - how it talks to human biology. "

[8:29] Zach how 60 million-year-old dirt is the answer to glyphosate & Roundup problem. 

[9:14] Jeffrey breaks it down and explain in simpler terms what the soil is showing us. 

[10:14] Cells have inherent intelligence for its optimal health that rely on their communication network. When the network breaks down, we see disease. 

[11:45] “A cancer cell is not a bad thing. It's simply a cell so isolated and confused and it's just got a drive for life, and the only way it can stay alive is to replicate.”

[13:04] What happens when you put Roundup on epithelial cells in a Petri dish? Cells go from being able to open and close within a millionth of a second, to 6 days without being able to close. 

[14:39] Roundup blocks the ability of amino acids to form into large proteins, a vital part of cell functioning. 

[15:05] “We don't have those enzyme pathways that produce them and so we have to get them from outside. We have to get them from our nutrition. Imagine the hubris, or insanity, of a species that comes along and sprays its food with a chemical that blocks the ability of the soil and the food to make its essential amino acids. And that's what we do.”

[17:25] These essential amino acids can come from our diet, which is a major argument against the importance of maintaining the shikimate pathway. However, foods sprayed with Roundup don’t have the essential nutrients. 

[19:18] “Especially when it grows plants that are 70% water, and those feed animals that are 70% water, including our body. So here we are, finding out that biology always has to be 70% water. Add a toxin that is water-soluble and now you're going to find it in every part of the ecosystem that would be water-based, and that's exactly what we can find.”

[20:10] “Glyphosate and Roundup have been integrated into every element of that system.”

[22:47] “Essentially, all of the tight junctions in the body, all of the organs, can separate in the presence of glyphosate and that creates a passthrough of toxins and potentially, pathogens. The filtration system breaks down and we end up with chronic disease which may be a major contributor to the fact that 46% of children - not just adults, but children have a chronic condition.”

[25:12]  “Human being on its own cannot be human being without its reflection to the greater ecosystem to say, ‘There are bacteria of 30,000 species, there are 5 million species of fungi, there are 300,000 species of parasites, and here's me.’ The bacteria and the fungi, in their communication, are what inform the human system to maintain that self-identity.”

[26:19] Restore immediately starts at a blinding biological rate and can improve cell life span by 15%. 

[28:24] “So, in the end, if you look at a control membrane that's never seen Roundup, you give it the communication network, it improves by some 20-30%. If you injure that cell layer first with Roundup and then give Restore, you see it end up stronger than the control membrane in treatment. “

[29:54] The goosebump moment here for me is realizing that mother nature put in her soil 60 million years ago a deep enough databank of microbial information such that here, 60 million years later we could put that back into the human gut and see a reactive healing event happen to a chemical that we're killing her soils with.  

[30:44] When glyphosate is added to cells, they separate. When you add Restore, they get tight again. If you add Restore first and then expose them to glyphosate, the injury never occurs. “Your speed of healing is not only keeping up with, it’s actually exceeding that of the toxin itself.” 

[33:39] Zach breaks down for us exactly what mitochondria is, how it functions in our body, what happens in its absence, and how we get it. 

[34:42] “A eukaryotic multicellular creature cannot produce its own energy and is instead reliant on this weird bacterioid virus morph thing to produce its fuel. This really gets at the God question - of what is it to be alive? “

[36:05] Why are quantum chips the way of the future? 

[37:05] Zach explains to us what happens when glyphosate is applied to human cells. 

[38:42] How Zach used a new, super cool, microscope to discover how glyphosate is damaging proteins in our cells. What does that mean for Roundup & our bodies? 

[40:40] Zach explains how all of this causes fatty liver, which leads to a slew of other problems in our bodies and our minds, ultimately causing a breakdown in the energy creation process. 

[41:54] What are the implications for our brains? 

[42:54] “So the neural pathway requires the ATP, the ATP is produced in the mitochondria, the mitochondria structure is being malformed in the presence of glyphosate, the amount of ATP goes down, so the ability for the body to send impulses from the toe to the back and from the lower back to the head can become impaired as a result of the glyphosate.”

[43:59] Zach gives us a shocking look at how neurotransmitters that regulate our mood, and we think of as existing in our brains, actually come from our gut. 

[44:32] “So at every point of the system, Roundup is screwing up the function to have a normal brain and a normal communication network in the neurology. Just as it's screwing up our communication down at the redox level.”

[46:49] How does Restore actually help the body to start acting younger? 

[47:59] Zach tells us why Roundup has caused us to circle back to chemicals from the 70s that we know are dangerous and why we need to rethink what it means to be a carcinogen. 

[50:04] Human beings are the most adaptive multicellular species on the planet but only 2/3 as complex as a flea! 

[51:12] “So she has a chicken salad and anybody out there in the general world would say, ‘That's a pretty healthy choice.’ But if we now look at that genetically, that chicken that is sitting there got butchered about 3-4 days before it would have died of invasive salmonella and E-coli. One-third of the flock of chickens in the U.S. dies before it can be butchered. A third is already contaminated, dead before it can even get to the butcher.”

[52:59] Zach tells us why the life of a chicken has MAJOR implications for your health. 

[57:10] “It's that for all of the travesties and idiocies of putting this toxin into human biology, we still see the cells beat it faster with healing. Healing is faster than all of those levels of toxicity.” 

[57:24] “That is - it's maybe even deeper than grace. That is the fundamental truth about life itself. It is more powerful than everything. Life is more powerful than anything. Life is ultimately in energetic - in its physics, not biology. Our energy, that would organize itself into a human body, is irrepressible and never dies. You cannot kill the energy. The electron energy in the human body cannot be killed. So when your loved one passes away, all that energy dissipates into the space and time around it and is reintegrated into life itself around it.”

Hi, this is Jeffrey Smith and I have the pleasure of introducing you to Zach Bush on this podcast, Live Healthy Be Well. Zach Bush is a triple board-certified physician, but mostly he's a brilliant, out of the box, visionary whose talks can be life-changing. We interviewed Zach for the Healing from GMOs and Roundup online conference and he was most certainly many people's favorite. Many people told us that they listened to him over and over again. 

He has a product that he discovered, derived from 50 to 60 million-year-old soil, that has a stunning impact on basically waking up the intelligence of our bodies. He showed that when you put glyphosate on human cells, it breaks apart the tight junctions between the cells causing things like leaky gut and leaky brain. But in the presence of this soil-derived material that he created, it prevented those tight junctions from being separated in the first place or restored them. 

Now Zach adds a new danger from glyphosate, based on research done in his laboratory. He shows that glyphosate destroys actin and thereby destroys the mitochondria which is devastating to health. I'll let him tell you the details, I don't want to tell too much now. But the good news is that that same product can prevent that destruction. The product was originally called Restore, and in this interview, we call it Restore, but he has since changed it to the name "ION Biome." ION - Intelligence of Nature, Biome. Now, we have a link below that you can use to order your product and purchases through that link support our work. 

You can also hear more interviews with Zach and 17 other experts on the Healing from GMOs and Roundup conference. There's a link for that. This interview was actually recorded for another online program which we created called "The 90 Day Lifestyle Upgrade." It's designed to help people successfully and affordably, adopt an organic lifestyle. You can link to that too. But first, listen to this brilliant man. 

Jeffrey: Hi, this is Jeffrey Smith. I'm with my friend Dr. Zach Bush. You may know Zach as the person that formulated the product called Restore. I've interviewed Zach many times, in fact, I love mentioning that you're a rare combination of triple board-certified.  

Zach: Mhmm 

Jeffrey: Hospice, endocrinology, internal medicine, but I think by now you're into regenerative agriculture and setting, basically, the world on fire with new ideas. Whenever I speak with Zach, we tend to go everywhere. 

Zach: That's one of the challenges. 

Jeffrey: I remember one time we got together and said, "Okay, we're going to talk about these three things." We spoke for an hour and said, "You know, we never covered those things. We didn't even start those things!" So, Zach, I want to ask right at the beginning, okay, there are some people who don't know what Restore is. I'm excited about what you've discovered. I love the fact that you did that thing in the Petri dish where you had human cells, you added Roundup, there was a change. You added Restore - 

Oh my God, you've got to make sure that people see that. 

Zach: Yeah. 

Jeffrey: So, can you start with that? Because everyone here knows about GMOs and Roundup and they're sensitive to that. So let's use that as the way in to Restore. 

Zach: Very good. Yeah, I think as the consumer stands today - I think a lot of people are out there knowing that GMO seems to be bad for some reason, and we're looking for non-GMO or organic foods and we're kind of going down that avenue as a kind of consumer general knowledge base. Whether you're talking to a mother in the grocery store or a physician in the clinic, very vague ideas as to why these things are bad for us. 

So our lab has really been focused on what are the exact mechanisms of challenge or injury to the human system as you start putting these things into our staple foods. This, of course, impacts the human consumer but perhaps 10x that is the pet and the home. The pet foods are horrendously high in Roundup and glyphosate and then you go to the livestock and it can be even more devastating. 

So whether we're talking about cattle, sheep, pets, humans, we're exposed to this chemical all of the time as everybody is aware. What we've been able to show is that it's breaking down some of the most fundamental pieces of biology that actually define us as being human. The beginning of being human is knowing what's inside and what's outside that boundary event, here's the human body. 

That boundary event is created by what we call epithelial cells. Epithelial cells are most prominent in the gut, about two tennis courts in surface area, and that boundary is very very thin. It's only half the width of a human hair, and so your fifty microns - tiny tiny little cellophane layer, that's responsible for defining - here's my boundary and everything inside of this needs to be regulated and needs to make sure it's either of human or good for human. If it's neither of those two then the immune system needs to activate, attack, and clear. 

What we see with Roundup is - what we've been able to demonstrate is, as soon as it touches that gut membrane, that tight junction velcro system that keeps that coherent cellophane layer together, it falls apart. Now you have a leaky sieve and you've literally lost your self-identity at the molecular level. 

Now every breath you take, every water glass you drink, every plate of food you consume, is going to confuse the immune system because no longer is it a regulated exposure to your environment and you're now having to react to everything. 

Don't we see this in our children now? 46% of children today have a chronic disorder or disease. That's an extraordinary number, 1 in 2 children. The vast majority of that sick population are reactive to their environment - severe food allergies, severe pollen and seasonal allergies, gluten sensitivity, gluten autoimmune disease - the celiacs, attention deficit, autism, the whole spectrum of anxiety, sleep disorder, major depression, all of this is rampant in our children now. 

Jeffrey: You're talking about now, what's happening today. 

Zach: This is it. 

Jeffrey: And the thing is, it wasn't like that in the 80s. It wasn't like that in the 70s. GMOs and Roundup came on the scene in the late 90s. Roundup was there a little bit earlier, but it was starting to be poured onto plants - Roundup-ready crops, and so let me just lay the foundation here. Between our mouth and the other side, the surface area of that tube when you stretch it all out, even the little fingers called the microvilli in the intestines, all of the surface area is two tennis courts and is thin as half a human hair. 

And it gets destroyed. It has these tight velcro-like, tight junctions, and that gets destroyed in the presence of glyphosate or Roundup, and then the immune system goes crazy and all of these things happen. Now, I want to bring it back to what you actually videotaped. 

Zach: Yeah. 

Jeffrey: This destruction. I want - and maybe we can get a copy to show people too... 

Zach: Sure. 

Jeffrey: Tell us how you found that and what was actually happening. Walk us through it. 

Zach: So, Dr. Johnny Gildea is our PhD and chief science advisor on the projects, and he had a very early sense that we had found - because we were seeing a lot of weird things happen with Restore before I knew about the Roundup injury, and he was the one that realized that we must have found something fundamental to the human nutrition problem when we were seeing so many beneficial effects. 

So I had gone into it with a cancer mentality - my history is in cancer research, chemotherapy development, all of that. So I was very medical in the discovery of the compounds that would become Restore. He was the one that really blew the doors off and said, "We found - there's something that nature is telling us that's way more profound than cancer or anything to treat cancer. This is telling us about how the biology of the outside world - the bacteria, the fungi, the viruses, all of that huge micro-ecosystem - how it talks to human biology. "

 So what we've been able to videotape is that - once you get the communication network of the microbiome, which is what we isolate through soil extractions - so fossil soil, 60 million years old, had a density of nutrients in there that created plant life that simply doesn't exist on earth anymore. The highest intelligence that we have on fossil record was that 60 million-year-old dirt. So we're pulling out of that all of the carbon molecules and all of their varieties that are made differently by each species of bacteria and fungi in the environment. 

So we get out of that this wireless communication network that we then recharge with hydrogen-oxygen combinations to get that communication network up and running. 

Jeffrey: Alright, so let me stop you right there because I know a little bit about this. I want to make sure - it was so rich. It was so packed with information, it was like that 60 million-year-old soil. Okay so, you discovered that the microorganisms create these individually crafted carbon molecules, you've called them carbon snowflakes before. 

Zach: Yes. 

Jeffrey: Because each one is different. These actual inert compounds are the network through which microorganisms speak to each other. The information exchange. You also posit that when the body receives these, it also allows cellular intercommunication as well and that the 60 million-year-old soil that has the biggest compactification of the diversity creates this kind of party line that happens inside the body. Am I getting it right? 

Zach: You are, and that party line there, that communication network, is so fascinating because it actually doesn't do anything in and of itself. In fact, that's what we do in our quality controls before we put it into a bottle and give it to a consumer, is to make sure that it does nothing in and of itself. 

Jeffrey: This is the supplement that does nothing, guaranteed. 

Zach: Guaranteed. 

Jeffrey: On its own. 

Zach: I prove it every time. The reason I don't want it to do anything is because there's an inherent intelligence in human cells, in bacteria - any living life form, for its optimal health. It knows how to achieve that. It knows what machinery needs to be turned on to repair any injury, it knows how to kill itself in the event that it's so injured that it cannot fix itself. The intelligence is all there.  

Where we see the aging and decay and disease process kick in, is when there's a loss of communication. So what we're generating out of the soil extracts is the communication network. Picture your cell phone. So your cellphone has a receiver and a transmitter in it that works all the time. It doesn't matter where you are in the world, that computer works. If you're more than seven miles from the closest cell phone tower, it's rendered useless and it starts to decay. The software can't update, it starts to fragment, you start to get slower function, you can't communicate with anybody in the world, and you become an isolated cell. 

Jeffrey: Disease is with an isolated cell because it doesn't have the communication network to support it. 

Zach: And the definition of an isolated cell in the human body is cancer. 

Jeffrey: Right. 

Zach: That's exactly what cancer is one cell that got disconnected from the rest of the party and it no longer knows its identity. 

Jeffrey: And so it starts to replicate figuring, "Oh, I'm the only show in town," because it can't even see anything else.

Zach: It's trying to preserve life. It's not bad. A cancer cell is not a bad thing. It's simply a cell so isolated and confused and it's just got a drive for life, and the only way it can stay alive is to replicate. So the cellphone analogy is phenomenally accurate. 

What we've done with Restore is just bringing the cellphone tower back into the environment and what I want to make sure is I never hurt somebody by trying to micromanage somebody. We know we can hurt people with vitamin D. We know we can hurt them with vitamin C. We know we can hurt them with vitamin A. These potent nutrients that we think of are - the difference between a medicine, and a drug, and a toxin is just dose. 

Jeffrey: Right. 

Zach: So my chemotherapy used to be made out of vitamin A compounds. Very effective in some areas of killing cancer, but toxic to the liver and everything else. It was a vitamin A compound, toxic to the liver. So you know, what we're trying to do is, for the first time realize that we should stop trying to micromanage human biology through supplementation and allow human biology to create its own health. 

That's a very big shift for the medical mind - the physician's kind of mindset. But it's been interesting to start to work with farmers who are starting to do regenerative ag because they do the same thing. 

Jeffrey: Now, I want to put a bookmark because I want to go back to where we started. I still want to understand - you put human cells in a Petri dish. Epithelial cells, the kind of cells that make up the two tennis court barrier between what we eat and what's inside the rest of the body. So what happened when you put Roundup in that Petri dish? 

Zach: As soon as you put Roundup on it, within three minutes you start to see damage to the extracellular matrix, namely these tight junctions that are bonding the cells together. Note that they're not really like spot welds. These are not really just welded together and the cells are stuck. These are intelligent gatekeepers. So they can actually, like velcro, open up and then reglue. Open up, and reglue. 

The Roundup injury lysis those cells, the tight junctions, such that it takes a lot longer for them to get together. They should be able to open and close in a millionth of a second. After a Roundup injury - six days later they still haven't been able to close. 

Jeffrey: So from a millionth of a second to six days they're opened up. So this is when you talk about the destruction of the cells. In this case, it isn't necessarily the destruction of the cell itself, it's the relationship between the cells which gets back to the cell towers. So are they simply not communicating, or are they trying to get through and they're blocked by a physical molecule like glyphosate? Can you tell what's actually going on and why these cells are now separate? 

Zach: Yeah, we've started to be able to untangle what's happening and how that toxicity is happening. The number one thing is that Roundup as a toxin blocks the ability of amino acids to constituate into large proteins. So proteins are built of -  

Jeffrey: That's very serious. 

Zach: Yes, it is very serious. Not only does it block the ability of these proteins to do good three-dimensional structure, the fundamental way in which Roundup functions as a weed killer, or an antibiotic, is that it blocks the ability of bacteria, fungi, and plants to produce the essential amino acids. Amino acids, the building blocks for protein - there's nine of those. We call it central amino acids. 

Jeffrey: Because we don't have them and we need them. 

Zach: We don't have those enzyme pathways that produce them and so we have to get them from outside. We have to get them from our nutrition. Imagine the hubris, or insanity, of a species that comes along and sprays its food with a chemical that blocks the ability of the soil and the food to make its essential amino acids. And that's what we do. 

Jeffrey: So there are two questions on the table and then we're going to back to regenerative agriculture. What happens when you add Restore, that was where we started, when you add it to that same Petri dish? But also, deeper dive. We'll get to that. How do you know that Roundup is blocking the creation of these complex proteins? 

Zach: Because Monsanto told us first. So if you look at the patents from Monsanto, back to 1974 there, the patents demonstrate what they think is the mechanism of action which is blocking the shikimate pathway. Shikimate enzyme pathway is known throughout biology but the shikimate pathway specific to bacteria, a number of species of fungi, and plants produces, not only the essential amino acids but are also very involved in producing the alkaloids which are the medicine in our food. 

So we create a chemical that blocks the shikimate pathway, that can no longer make the essential amino acids, so what happens? Imagine a fetus now being built in the womb of a woman who's looking for the building blocks to line up along the messenger RNA from its DNA to say this is the body I'm being told to make and it's suddenly missing some of the legos. Right? 

This is just like a kid who's building the lego kit but sister got to it first and lost a dozen or so of the legos, and the kid ultimately has to say, "Well, I'm just going to use this piece here. I know it's got six bumps instead of two but I'm going to stick it in there anyway. It's going to have a rough side on my lego building but it'll still function." That's what we're doing to our fetus right now, that's developing in a modern womb, is they're having to substitute what should have been an essential amino acid of phenylalanine, for another one. So phenylalanine, tyrosine, tryptophan, all of these critical building blocks of the neurologic system, the endocrine system, and beyond are being replaced with something similar. An aniline instead of glycine. 

Jeffrey: But the thing is, you can get some of these amino acids from our diet. It doesn't need to be built by the gut bacteria. The gut bacteria use the shikimate pathway to produce these three aromatic amino acids which are critical, and they're the precursors to serotonin, dopamine, and melatonin because serotonin gets into melatonin. So I've talked about this, where if you don't have the functioning shikimate pathway then you end up, perhaps, with not enough of the neurotransmitters. Which can link to anxiety, depression, sleep disorders, pain, overweight, etc. - because of the function of these neurotransmitters. 

But the other side might say, "But you don't necessarily need the shikimate pathway to produce them because we have tyrosine and tryptophan, and phenylalanine in our diet." 

Zach: Unless that food is being grown in a Roundup field. 

Jeffrey: That's right. 

Zach: So the caveat on Roundup here is - really we need to talk about glyphosate because glyphosate is the active ingredient in Roundup, and glyphosate is now off-patent. Every single one of the companies in the U.S. - Dow, 3M, all the chemical companies make glyphosate. The vast majority of glyphosate on the planet - we're now somewhere around 5 billion pounds of glyphosate produced every year. 

Jeffrey: Wow. 

Zach: Actually it's not even in a U.S. company anymore. Most of it is produced over in China for pennies on the dollar, and that's why Australia, Brazil, and all these countries are steeped in this now, is because China's got these free trade agreements. They're taking glyphosate in as a cheap weed killer/crop treatment to a vast array of farmers across these developed countries. 

Glyphosate, once it's integrated into an ecosystem has the unfortunate quality of being water-soluble. On a planet that's 70% water, that's a bad idea. 

Jeffrey: Right. 

Zach: Especially when it grows plants that are 70% water, that feed animals that are 70% water, including our body. So here we are, finding out that biology always has to be 70% water. Add a toxin that is water-soluble and now you're going to find it in every part of the ecosystem that would be water-based, and that's exactly what we can find. 

The runoff from the farm ends up in the rivers which end up in the oceans. But along that way, it evaporates and you end up with 75% of the air along the Mississippi tributaries, which is 85% of our country - you've got this air quality that's - 75% of the air samples are contaminated with Roundup. 

Jeffrey: Yes. In Mississippi, we've heard that. 

Zach: So you try to go organic, you're eating organic. But the rainfall that's coming down on that organic crop is 75% detectable for Roundup as well. So glyphosate and Roundup have been integrated into every element of that system. 

We just finished our big first placebo control double-blind trial on Restore. As part of this trial, we're testing urine in lots of patients. We have yet to find a patient that doesn't have detectable levels of Roundup in their urine. 

Jeffrey: Wow. 

Zach: These are largely patients that are coming out of a pretty healthy kind of mindset. That's how they found us. So you're looking at, kind of the top 1% of consumers as far as their awareness of the problem with Roundup, and they all have Roundup in their urine. So it's a really extraordinary demonstration of just the prevalence of this chemical. 

When we put it in the Petri dish, it creates that leaky sieve. 

Jeffrey: When you put Roundup in the Petri dish? 

Zach: So the caveat is - 

Jeffrey: Roundup or glyphosate? Oh, glyphosate not Roundup. 

Zach: Because when we put Roundup there, it kills everything too fast. Roundup is more toxic than glyphosate. 

Jeffrey: Okay. So Roundup would kill the cells and glyphosate causes the breakdown. 

Zach: We've now figured out how to keep our cells alive under the presence of Roundup but that took us 6 years. Roundup is very very toxic very quickly because of the fact that it carries 16 other chemicals in there that carry the glyphosate deeper into the cell faster - the surfactants. Glyphosate in the generic form doesn't have all those other surfactants so it's a little less toxic. So it's easier for us to study its effect on protein synthesis and all of this. 

But none of this would last. You take glyphosate, you take Roundup, you're going to see widespread damage across that protective membrane of the gut. But that's just the beginning of the network of tight junctions throughout the body. Next, you have the liver cells. As you destroy the liver, and its filtration capacity - the liver's just a big filter. Now you're dumping stuff into the bloodstream, maybe even organic compounds, that should have never gotten there because they should have been filtered through the bacteria, they should have been filtered by a gut lining, and then filtered by hepatocytes that all would have cleaned it up and delivered a very specific subset of nutrients to the bloodstream. Then the bloodstream is contained with tight junctions so the endothelium, instead of the epithelium now - the endothelial layer that holds arteries, capillaries, and veins together. Same tight junction. 

Jeffrey: So that also loosens up. 

Zach: It blows apart. The blood-brain barrier blows apart. The kidney tubules that are responsible for detoxing your body, blow apart. Now you are a leaky sieve at the front end, leaky sieve at the back end, your brain is a leaky sieve in between, and you see widespread inflammation across the system. 

Jeffrey: This is remarkable and frightening. I remember - you know we talked about this before, but your description now is particularly graphic. Essentially, all of the tight junctions in the body, all of the organs, can separate in the presence of the glyphosate and that creates a passthrough of toxins and potentially, pathogens. The filtration system breaks down and we end up with chronic disease which may be a major contributor to the fact that 46% of children - not just adults, but children have a chronic condition. 

Zach: 46% of kids with a chronic disease or condition. 49% of American adults now with cancer before they die. 

Jeffrey: 49%! Before they die, so it's predicted. 

Zach: A lifetime prevalence of 49%. 

Jeffrey: Let's quickly go to what Roundup - what the antidote is. Let's not leave that hanging. So, you have the petri dish, it breaks apart in the presence of glyphosate, 6 days later it's still not together. So you add Restore. Restore on its own doesn't do anything, it just creates the cell phone towers for the cells to talk to each other. So that one cell can talk to another. What happens after it's broken apart and you add Restore? 

Zach: Even before you break it apart, when you add Restore to a control membrane that's never seen Roundup or glyphosate, or other toxins it immediately starts making more tight junctions. 

Jeffrey: So it becomes - they hug a lot. 

Zach: They're tighter and they create a much stronger sense of self-identity. Which is fascinating, because all we're adding with Restore is the communication network of bacteria and fungi. What I'm telling you, literally, is that bacteria and fungi are responsible for human self-identity. 

Jeffrey: I love that. 

Zach: That is trippy cool because it means that, just like the human experience - our most severe penalty on any human being for thousands of years, has been isolation. Put them in solitary confinement. 

Jeffrey: Right, yeah. Cruel and unusual, yeah. 

Zach: That's our ultimate punishment. Within six days, anybody with any level of health is hallucinating, psychosis, full-blown paranoia. The whole thing. The brain is completely dysfunctional because that human being can't find its self-identity without the context of a greater relationship to the environment around it. 

The same thing now we find out down at the molecular level. Human being on its own cannot be human being without its reflection to the greater ecosystem to say, "There are bacteria of 30,000 species, there are 5 million species of fungi, there are 300,000 species of parasites, and here's me." The bacteria and the fungi in their communication are what inform the human system to maintain that self-identity. 

Jeffrey: And we know that because their products - these carbon snowflakes allow for intercellular communication. Without that, then they can operate independently. So somehow the actual physical product of the microbiome - of the person and then the world, allow for cellular health and community. 

Zach: Yes, it's amazing. It's so exquisite. I think that I - the goosebumpy thing is, as we add back the communication network, the pace at which the cells repair is blindingly fast. It's faster than I thought biology could happen, you know? Within three minutes of the introduction, you see mitochondrial stress-reducing. 

Jeffrey: This is the introduction of Restore. 

Zach: So you put Restore, which is just all those carbon snowflakes from ancient bacteria and fungi - hit the surface and immediately communication starts happening and the response to it is more proteins, more self-identity, more protection of the organism. Then we see upregulation of the whole response system for damage. Glutathione increases. Glutathione is the main antioxidant in the human body. Upregulation of glutathione from the small intestine, the colon, the kidney cells, and the liver cells - all making glutathione. 

Jeffrey: And you see that in the cells in Petri dishes? 

Zach: Immediately. 

Jeffrey: Wow. 

Zach: Within three minutes, upregulating glutathione. Reactive oxygen species from mitochondria inside those human cells starts to decrease. In any healthy cell, it takes stress down within minutes. In a damaged cell, it starts sending out a stress signal from the mitochondria. 

So, for the first time - again, this is our intention with Restore. It should do nothing to the cells. It should sense and communicate the issue, communicate from cell to cell. The cells will then respond with the right messaging to do whatever needs to happen. In damaged cell populations, we see apoptosis, which is programmed cell suicide, kick in very quickly. 

As soon as programmed cell suicide kicks in, in a biologic system, stem cell moves in and replaces it with a brand new cell. In a healthy cell, you see reactive oxygen species go down, glutathione goes up, which means that cell now has a much deeper reservoir of acute inflammatory reactivity which makes cells live longer, not shorter. So you improve cell longevity. We can improve kidney cell life span by 15% with just that Restore. 

Jeffrey: Just putting Restore on, the cells last 15% longer? 

Zach: Yes. 

Jeffrey: So, go on. I mean, I'm still waiting to get to what happens to the junctions. 

Zach: Yeah, so this is the exciting thing. There are no tight junctions, there are no bacteria, there are no fungi in Restore, it's just that wireless network. The intrinsic antidote to Roundup is life. The cell is so infused with life that as soon as it sees that injury it says, "Oh, I just need more protection. I need to upregulate this." 

So, in the end, if you look at a control membrane that's never seen Roundup, you give it the communication network, it improves by some 20-30%. If you injure that cell layer first with Roundup and then give Restore, you see it end up stronger than the control membrane in treatment. 

Jeffrey: Woah, let me slow this down. So here are the cells, okay? Now you take the cell phones, or you turn them off, from all the kids. They can't use their cell phones, can't communicate, they separate. Then you add Restore and they come back together, but they're actually better then they would be if you had just added Restore because they somehow know to do even tighter junctions just in case. 

Zach: They've just discovered a vulnerability. 

Jeffrey: So they bone up on whatever they need to do. 

Zach: Yeah, and this is exactly how acute inflammatory repair works. Take the bone, for example, when you run down a set of stairs you cause millions of microfractures in your weight-bearing bones. Within minutes, the osteoclasts are starting to breakdown those tiny microfracture areas, chew up that bone and call in an osteoblast to lay down brand new bone. At the end of the day, you actually have better bone marrow density from running down the stairs then if you had never run down those stairs before. 

In the same way, glyphosate, alcohol, nonsterile anti-inflammatories like Ibuprofen and the like - Miralax, a big, big toxin to the tight junctions. These injuries, when given enough communication network can lead to a stronger bowel, not a weaker bowel. 

The goosebump moment here, for me, is realizing that mother nature put in her soil 60 million years ago a deep enough databank of microbial information such that here, 60 million years later we could put that back into the human gut and see a reactive healing event happen to a chemical that we're killing her soils with.  

That's grace. 

Jeffrey: Wow, that's amazing. 

Zach: That's like the story of the grace of Mother Earth, is she would plan for our insanity with this simple solution of this - the solution to contaminated soil is uncontaminated soil. 

Jeffrey: I want to keep coming back to this imperial question, which we started - just to finish up. So if you put glyphosate on cells, they get separated. When you add Restore, they get tight again. If you add Restore first and they get tighter, and then you add glyphosate, what happens? 

Zach: The injury never occurs. 

Jeffrey: Injury never occurs! 

Zach: So what happens is, you see this huge upper regulation of what we call - we measure it as TER or transepithelial resistance. So you create a high insulation effect by adding the Restore, and then you add the glyphosate. We can actually show that the glyphosate is still toxic, it can still damage these tight junctions. But the rate of repair is so fast, that it never drops the TER. 

Your speed of healing is not only keeping up with, it's actually exceeding that of the toxin itself. 

Jeffrey: Now, you'll notice - I'm going to return to the audience here, that was one question. That was the question, what happens in a Petri dish? 

Zach: You're never going to get to three things with me. 

Jeffrey: Oh my God, that was one question! I'm scared to ask the next question. Now, we put a bookmark on regenerative agriculture and we'll get there. But the second question is, there are at least three peer-reviewed papers on the damage of Roundup on the mitochondria. When you look at the mitochondria under a microscope in your lab, and you put glyphosate or Roundup in there, what happens to the mitochondria? By the way, I have to say - I don't know if you're aware of this. Maybe you told me? Someone in our Healing from GMOs series, which you're in prominently, said they took old tissue from a 95-year-old body and they took a kid and compared them and the only thing they could find that was different was the state of the mitochondria.  

Zach: Sure. 

Jeffrey: It is like - the mitochondria were damaged and disrupted vastly in the older person, and that was the only difference. I think 10% of our body weight is mitochondria. So, in the context of the damage to the mitochondria - we're going to end up needing to say what it does and why it's important, but let's start out with the damage. What are you seeing in the human mitochondria when you add Roundup? I'm sorry to interrupt you, go ahead. 

Zach: No, you didn't at all. It's perfect, and you're exactly right. The aging process is very well correlated with the number of mitochondria per human cell. So before you even look at morphology, the sheer number is very telling. At birth, we have on average 200 mitochondria in every single human cell. 

Jeffrey: 200 per cell? 

Zach: That's much different then if you look at a biology textbook and you might see two or three depicted inside the human cell. 

Jeffrey: That's right. You never see 200. 

Zach Because you can't draw that many because it would fill the entire cell which is exactly what it looks like under a microscope. So under electron microscopy, the mitochondria are crammed into the cytoplasm of a human cell. So the cytoplasm is really full of these little bugs... 

Jeffrey: It's the clown car. 

Zach: Exactly, and you've got to remember that these are not human. So we think of the mitochondria as little organelles inside the human cell like we would think of the nucleus, and that's what we're told in biology. "Here's the nucleus, here's the mitochondria, here's the Golgi apparatus, here's the endoplasmic reticulum." All of these structures inside the human cell. That is not what a mitochondria is. 

A mitochondria is a literal bug. It's a bacterioid entity that has a DNA strand that's more like a virus. So it's some sort of weird combination of a viral genome with a bacterial morphology, and it replicates inside your cells. We lose mitochondria but we can rebirth mitochondria, so they can reproduce or die within our cells. 

Interestingly, just like the microbiome outside of our cells, there are multiple species of mitochondria. There are three species of mitochondria dominant in the human experience. So you have these three species of bugs that live inside of our cells and without mitochondria, a single cell - like the egg that a woman carries that will someday create that embryo, cannot survive. 

A eukaryotic multicellular creature cannot produce its own energy and is instead reliant on this weird bacterioid virus morph thing to produce its fuel. This really gets at the God question - of what is it to be alive? When did that start and how did that all come to be? 

Jeffrey: We're thinking about the future like - you know, combining computers with humans but it already turned out that we're actually part virus, part bacteria. We've got the microbiome and we've got these little mitochondria that are kind of hybrids anyway. 

Zach: I'm very excited about this next shift in the computer world where - you know we already have a working quantum chip on the planet now. So we've got a quantum computer chip at 16 bots, as we get to 160 - something like that - so it needs to get four times faster which will take it 2-3 years. At that point, that one computer chip will do 1,000 times more calculations per second than all of the computers on the face of the planet can currently do. 

Jeffrey: Wow. 

Zach: That one chip, which is in the quantum realm of function. A computer chip is just doing yes no, IO, switching, right? A quantum chip is using the spin of an electron, up or down, as its switch. So now we're down at this atomic quantum level of speed, hundreds of millions of times smaller than anything you deal with in biology. 

The reason I'm excited about quantum chips is because we are quantum chips. So every single one of our cells is quantum computing all of the time by its electron spin. Computers are about to become humanoid rather than humans becoming more computeroid. 

Jeffrey: Wow, that's beautiful. 

Zach: I'm excited for it. 

Jeffrey: And perhaps later in this conversation or maybe at another time, we can link it all to Roundup and what it's doing on the quantum level and whatnot. But I still want to bring you back - this is my job. To pull you back - 

Zach: It's a full-time job. 

Jeffrey: To the question. 

Zach: That's why they pay you the big money because no one else can keep me on track. My wife will put you on her payroll if you can keep me on track. 

Jeffrey: So the question was, sometime - a long time ago we were talking about the mitochondria. You look at the mitochondria under a microscope and you apply glyphosate to human cells. What happens? 

Zach: So that's an electron microscope question that we don't do in the lab daily, but what we know is that we change mitochondrial metabolism instantly. That's a much more sensitive thing than showing the phenotypic change in the mitochondria. What we can show with glyphosate is you immediately damage mitochondrial metabolism with that toxin. 

John Gildea, in our lab, was the first guy to start to wrap his head around why he thought this was happening. He's so brilliant in his three-dimensional mindset here, but what he was thinking was - this was not blocking some enzymatic pathway in the mitochondria. It was too fast and too complete of a disruption of these fundamentals of mitochondrial metabolism to really be an enzyme pathway. 

So the idea became - is it at the actual structure of the mitochondria, not at the metabolism directly? He turns out to be right. He just proved in our new lab - our brand new lab is sweet. It is so cool. It's 20 times more modern and more - 

Jeffrey: You're like a young guy that just got this new car. You're like, "I got this new lab."

Zach: Oh my gosh. We have an automated microscopy system that can - that would take too long to go into. It's just super cool. At any rate, on that super cool new microscope, the first study we did was around the mitochondrial structure which comes down to actin filaments. So tight junctions are the protein I've been telling everybody about for a long time. But John, for almost two years now, has been saying, "I know glyphosate is damaging actin." 

Actin - if he was right, we knew would be the end of all smoking guns on the Roundup and glyphosate story. Sure enough, with our first microscopy study, we show that glyphosate demolishes actin in the extracellular and intracellular matrix upon contact. Actin is critical in its function in the cell in that it's responsible for the whole three-dimensional relationship of all of the organelles and the mitochondria, inside of the cell. 

If you google mitochondria/actin and then - do that in an image search on Google, you'll find these extraordinarily beautiful - they usually stain the actin red and then you'll see the mitochondria glowing kind of green-blue inside of it. Actin creates this beautiful spindle that then holds the mitochondria like in a nest. In that next, the mitochondria has to then have an almost quarternary structure to it - you know, beyond three dimensions. The structure of mitochondria is two cells inside a single space. One cell is smashed down such that it starts to have these little - cristae they're called. They're invaginations of the membrane. 

So you can imagine trying to squish down a balloon into a smaller thing and you'd have to like, create all these pockets and squish it down in there. That's what the inside membrane of the mitochondria looks like, and then that's wrapped in a more cohesive balloon. So you've got a big balloon smashed into a small balloon, and the three-dimensional structure within the three-dimensional structure is again dictated by actin. 

So the reason why this is so potent to what we see happening on the macro scale of human biology - when you give Roundup, we cause fatty liver. Fatty liver is the precursor to obesity, type 2 diabetes, hypercholesterolemia, triglyceridemia, cardiovascular disease, go on down the list. That fatty liver injury is demonstrating mitochondrial stress when you consume food with Roundup. This is why you get neurologic damage as well when you go into the brain. Don't forget the brain. 

Jeffrey: Right. Brain got it. 

Zach: So what's happening now in the mitochondria is when they lose that actin structure, they start to lose the relationship of the carefully packed inside balloon. It starts to unwrap, and you start to lose the relationship between the inside membrane and the outside membrane and that's where you produce ATP which is an adenosine triphosphate which is the energy that really fuels the human system. 

Jeffrey: That meaning, normally it produces the ATP. 

Zach: Should be producing ATP. 

Jeffrey: But when you screw it up - the technical term. When you screw it up with the Roundup, does the ATP no longer get produced? 

Zach: Right, you're losing the potential to build not only ATP but importantly the metabolites that would lead to the ATP which are made through what we call the respiratory chain. These are electron carrying molecules that we call reactive oxygen species. That's the internal communication network of the cell. 

Jeffrey: Wow. 

Zach: So we're losing communication within the cell, we're losing fuel production every time we expose the human population of cells to the Roundup. Coming back to the brain, what are the implications? 

It turns out that the cells within the human body that are most dense with mitochondria are the neurons. A single neural body - a cell body of a neuron will have 2,000, not 200 mitochondria packed in it. It has that level of energy demand because it has such a journey to make with its fuel production and everything else. That one cell body has to maintain a projection of the axon of that nerve that can be a meter long. 

Jeffrey: So you can have one full meter, one cell having like - a hair, one meter long. 

Zach: It has to extend a meter, from the low back all the way to the tip of your toes - one cell. That cell is microscopic in its body and then the projection - like you say, is micro microscopic projection. But for you to sense touch on the tip of your toe, you have to have enough energy in there and have the mechanisms to traffic it back to the cell body that will then release a neural peptide to the next nerve, that will send it to your brain to tell you that you just got touched on the toe. 

Jeffrey: So the neural pathway requires the ATP, the ATP is produced in the mitochondria, the mitochondria structure is being malformed in the presence of glyphosate, the amount of ATP goes down, so the ability for the body to send impulses from the toe to the back and from the lower back to the head can become impaired as a result of the glyphosate. Is that the theory? 

Zach: Any mitochondrial toxin, so alcohol can do the same thing. Too many anti-inflammatories, non-steroidal inflammatories can do the same thing. The leading cause of neurologic damage in the country right now is peripheral neuropathy. What we just described is the genesis and the pathogenesis of peripheral neuropathy where the nerves peripherally can no longer work because they don't have the energy to move stuff up and down. 

It turns out that the structure that moves anything - proteins, whatever needs to be repaired, information, neurotransmitters, travels along actin. We add a chemical to the food chain that destroys our neurotransmitter reservoir because we can no longer make phenylalanine, tyrosine, tryptophan in our food. The bacteria in our gut that's being contaminated with Roundup can't make phenylalanine, tyrosine, tryptophan - 

Jeffrey: Because of the shikimate pathway. 

Zach: Now you don't have serotonin. 90% of the serotonin made in the body is made at the gut lining by enteric endocrine cells. Not in the brain, in the gut. 50% of the dopamine - made in the gut lining. Another 40% of your total body dopamine is made by your kidney tubules. All of that serotonin, dopamine - all of that now needs to be trafficked and communicated across these axons that are actin-dependent. 

So at every point of the system, Roundup is screwing up the function to have a normal brain and a normal communication network in the neurology. Just as it's screwing up our communication down at the redox level. 

Jeffrey: Redox meaning the intercellular communications. Have you put Restore in a human cell environment and added Roundup or glyphosate and seen a change in how the mitochondria work? 

Zach: Yes, over and over again. It's so exciting, because, again, this proves trying to do nothing to a system but to empower its own innate capacity for health works every time. So what happens is that as we put the - and it doesn't matter if it's a proximal renal tubular cell from the kidney or a small intestine, colon, a liver cell - as soon as the communication network from the microbiome. Again, it's not human. 

As soon as the microbial communication network hits those cells, it speaks directly to the mitochondria. Within a minute or two those mitochondria either reduce their stress and their production of reactive oxygen species or amp up the stress call for help and apoptosis. 

Jeffrey: Meaning they die? 

Zach: They kill themselves. 

Jeffrey: Yeah it's like, "We're done." It's beyond retirement. 

Zach: Yes. It's time to make room for the new guys. 

Jeffrey: And then the stem cells come in and rebirth it. 

Zach: Yes. 

Jeffrey: Now, if you put the Restore in before you put the glyphosate, does it prevent the damage of the mitochondria? 

Zach: Yeah. If you do it simultaneously, the raw signal will be differential. Again, depending on what that cell is experiencing. If it's a lot of injuries and you've got that in there, it's going to speed up its call for help and rate of repair. If it's got a low exposure of injury, it will decrease stress and preserve - the nice thing about decreasing stress on all of the healthy cells is it mobilizes or maintains a bigger reservoir of things like glutathione and the antioxidants to deal with the cells that are injured. 

So your coping mechanism reservoir increases as the total body stress goes down. This is why, I think, we see such huge longevity - kind of antiaging effect to the longterm use of the microbiome communication network, is that over time, not only are you producing more glutathione because of Restore, you're also not using all of that glutathione at the same pace. So you start getting these huge childlike reservoirs of antioxidants in what we would think of as elderly people. That's where we start to see this really interesting phenomenon two years, three years, four years into the process of getting that reservoir is - the body simply starts acting younger and you'll see that in every tissue. 

Jeffrey: I'm really glad that you pointed out that there are fundamental processes that glyphosate knocks out. You've mentioned actin, you've mentioned the cell walls, you've mentioned the mitochondria, the microbiome. It might have a big effect on hormones and certainly, the neurotransmitters that we've talked about. Have you seen anything out there that's worse for the body on a chronic basis than Roundup? 

Zach: Yeah, I mean certainly there are more potent toxins. 

Jeffrey: Right, more acute. Yeah. 

Zach: But I think that's why Roundup has become the problem it is, is that it's insidious in its nature. It's not the obvious carcinogen of something like atrazine, which was the chemical that we were trying to replace with Roundup back in the 70s. Atrazine was our main herbicide used, and ironically now atrazine is again the #1 sprayed chemical on American crops because Roundup is failing us because there are so many Roundup-resistant weeds. 

Jeffrey Wow. 

Z: So atrazine is back, so there's a lot of toxins that terrify me in regards to the carcinogenesis features. I have never seen a molecule that hits biology at this many levels, right? That's what concerns me the most about Roundup. It'd be one thing if it was a DNA injury device, you know? Which is our classic carcinogen model - is does it break DNA strands? Sunshine breaks DNA strands. Do we really think the sun is toxic for us? We should stop thinking that. 

We developed with the sun, it's for us, we should live within it. So DNA damage we think of as being carcinogenic when in fact it's not because we have DNA polymerases, these enzymes that zip along our DNA every single day and repair the entire genome. Which is pretty impressive because you have enough DNA in your body to wrap around Mother Earth two million times. 

Jeffrey: I've never heard that. What a scene! 2 million times? 

Zach: Your DNA wraps around the Earth 2 million times. 

Jeffrey: Wow. 

Zach: So imagine how - the enzymes that are traveling that 2 million circles around the earth every single day doing the repair of the DNA damage. 

Jeffrey: I hope they get paid overtime. 

Zach: The only time you develop cancer is when you stop repairing the DNA damage. 

Jeffrey: And you talked before about how the micro-breaks on the bone actually make it stronger. So the reparations and the - the breakdown and reparations may actually be a part of the whole evolutionary cycle. 

Zach: It's not only part of the evolutionary cycle, I think it's the thing that allows you to adapt to your environment quickly too. Right? So our healing processes - our mechanisms of healing are intrinsic in our human experience. We are the most adaptable species on the planet, no question. Well, viruses are the most adaptable but in the eukaryotic world, we're the most adaptive. 

Jeffrey: We're number two, we try harder. 

Zach: That's right. So the eukaryotic multicellular organisms - no other species has shown the adaptability and I think it's because of our speed of repair, and it's because we're so simple. The human genome only has 20,000 genes. A flea has 30,000 genes. 

Jeffrey: We lose that competition. 

Zach: Yeah, and this is good. When I lose my keys for the third time in a day I'm like, "Yeah, I'm 2/3 as complicated as a flea. I'm doing pretty good." 

Jeffrey: Yeah, that's a great excuse. You could dump everything into that. 

Zach: That's my permission slip. So we're very simple genetically, and yet we build these extremely complicated and flexible bodies because we're not really building from our static genes. We're building on the information of the environment around us, which is a big warning to us in an era where we're engineering our food. 

What I'm saying here is that our genome is adapting constantly to its environment. Let's picture a chicken salad for a second. 

Jeffrey: Alright. 

Zach: Chicken salad is sitting there, a woman knows, "Well maybe I'm not supposed to eat as much red meat." Or she's heard all of these conflicting and nonproven out concepts of nutrition but she's like, "I'm going to choose the chicken salad because that's good for me." 

So she has a chicken salad and anybody out there in the general world would say, "That's a pretty healthy choice." But if we now look at that genetically, that chicken that is sitting there got butchered about 3-4 days before it would have died of invasive salmonella and E-coli. One-third of the flock of chickens in the U.S. dies before it can be butchered. A third is already contaminated, dead before it can = get to the butcher. 

Jeffrey: One-third. And they're not sold as meat - as food?  

Zach: No, they never even make it because they're contaminated and rotting by the time the farmer can get them to the butcher. Of the two-thirds that are left alive, they're all kind of dying actively. The age of a boiler chicken is 6-7 weeks old, from hatching. So that chicken who's only survived six weeks, a third of its partners are already dead from invasive infection. So this is the level of toxicity of that chicken's life. 

That chicken has never seen sunlight. The chicken has never been outside to feel the ground, it's never scratched in the dirt. It's actually got its beak cut off so that it can't even do normal self-care. It can't turn around in the little cage it's in, and it's being shit on by the 10 chickens above it. The genome of that chicken is now screaming stress: endocrine system, neurologic system, micro fascia, down the mitochondria. Everything is a full out fight or flight stress state feeling I'm abandoned, I'm hopeless. I don't know - I'm dying. There's this huge sense of impending doom on that creature. 

We now know that in that process, that animal is making an enormous amount of tiny little family of molecules called microRNA. The microRNA happens to be the switches for the genes that are in the body. 

Jeffrey: Yeah, the control panels. 

Zach: They're the control panel. So now imagine that woman sitting down with this chicken salad, she puts this in her mouth and within 30 minutes, in her bloodstream is the microRNA of a stressed-out, dying chicken. It's turning on, in her genome, the reactive components to that. On the way home, 1:30 in the afternoon, driving peacefully along, for no apparent reason she goes into a dramatic panic attack. 

A panic attack - the very first symptom of it is a sense of impending doom. That's literally the way they describe that sensation. The woman suddenly has this overwhelming sense of impending doom, she feels isolated, she's paranoid, she feels heated, she doesn't know why her spouse isn't more supportive. All of these things are pounding through her head and she doesn't even know because she actually has a pretty good spouse, and her kids are great, and there really is no reason. She knows she's fine but she is breathing at 60 times a minute, her heart rate is at 140, she feels like she is dying because she just consumed the information of death. 

Jeffrey: Wow, that's sobering. If I want to add to that, I can tell you that there are certain GMOs that consciously change the RNA. They put in potatoes and apples, genes that produce RNA that is designed to silence genes in the apple and potato that cause those to turn brown when sliced. We've written about it. I've created videos about it. If you eat the apple or potato, that RNA might reprogram our DNA expression by silencing something that looks even related to that code. 

So we're talking about eating GMOs that can reprogram our gene expression. You think, "What kind of people could create that?" Well, I was corresponding with the actual person who created the potato. After, he quit - JR Simplot, the big potato company. Before that he worked for Monsanto. After he was done and retired, he started to look into the nature of RNA - RNA interference and how it regulates. 

It was one of 10 things he realized was wrong and wrote a book called Pandora's Potato: The Worst GMO, saying among other things, that eating a potato that he created could change genetic expression. We know that when rats or mice were fed Roundup-ready corn or BT corn, I forget which. I think it was over 400 genes that changed the levels of expression just from the corn. So we actually have - you know, people think in terms of food as vitamins and minerals and vital chemicals, but there's also the RNA component which is part of that intelligence. 

What happens when you eat rice? Does the intelligence of that RNA change the way our body, our DNA, expresses? Evidently, it does. Now we're talking about genetic engineering in that context, but also Roundup in that context. It's like, in one hand you're scared to move because you don't know what you're going to eat that's going to cause this effect. But what you're saying is, if you add the intercellular communication, if you maintain the cellular matrix through the actin, if you can enhance the intelligence of the body. The body has developed over these millennia with the environment and knows how to self-correct. It knows how to rebuild the broken microfractures. It knows how to kill off the diseased cell or the cell that's starting to turn to cancer. 

So, even in the context of the fear that might be created by eating animals that are just about to be slaughtered and they send out their signals or the animals that have been raised in this horrific situation like you described. We don't have to live in that fear if we can connect with the inner intelligence and nurture it. This is what you're saying is found as the blessing of 60 million-year-old soil and the microorganisms that lived then, that deposit it as a treasure for us now. 

Zach: It's overwhelmingly cool. We come right back to that microscope story. It's that for all of the travesties and idiocies of putting this toxin into human biology, we still see the cells beat it faster with healing. Healing is faster than all of those levels of toxicity. 

Jeffrey: Thank goodness. 

Zach: That is - it's maybe even deeper than grace. That is the fundamental truth about life itself. It is more powerful than everything. Life is more powerful than everything. Life is ultimately energetic - it's physics, not biology. Our energy, that would organize itself into a human body, is irrepressible and never dies. You cannot kill the energy. The electron energy in the human body cannot be killed. So when your loved one passes away, all that energy dissipates into the space and time around it and is reintegrated into life itself around it. 

The point is that we need to probably approach our current tipping point of human history, as we're starting to look at our own extinction in the next few decades. We need to start to think about that from a nonempathetic standpoint and just look at it as a raw equation of life. It would be very important for us to go ahead and go extinct over the next few decades so that Earth can survive. So that nature can move on. Knowing that we don't disappear. 

What I want to see is - as a hospice doctor, I used to get to see this all of the time. I want to see human consciousness arrive at such a point that whether we go extinct in the next 70 years, or somehow change everything in our behavior and we survive that 70 years to go on to live a completely different species trajectory. Either of those options is fine with me, as long as human consciousness rises to the point where the energy that we put out at our moment of death is more conscious, is more enlightened, is at a higher vibration. 

We're in our hospice moment as a species. If we remove all of the drugs, as we do with every hospice patient, they often get better. Those patients often get discharged from hospice because we find out that the thing that was making them die was all of their drugs. If we stop the drugs on humanity today, we may find that we will rise. That we will heal and we will be discharged from hospice as a species. As we come into our own intrinsic capacity for health and healing. 

Jeffrey: Whenever we have spoken, whatever little tiny thing we start with - whether it's the mitochondria or the velcro junctions between human cells, you end up giving the bigger picture. Before we're done there's some macro understanding. There are ancient studies and ancient sayings that say the microcosm is in the macrocosm is in the microcosm. I'm also aware that you have been taking this Restore product for years, talking about how it builds intercellular communication. You've also talked to me about how interpersonal communication - interpersonal cognition - how we see ourselves in the world, appears to affect your patients around month 16 or 19 when they're taking this over and over again. They change the way they are in the world. It's as if the intercellular communication matrix is now effecting their thinking. When I hear you talk about the world and the future and whatnot, I'm thinking you're a living example of what the next iteration is after that. Not just interpersonal communication, but really thinking as a global species. Thinking as a globally connected individual. 

So every time I talk to you about the microbiome, you're like, "No, it's not separate. It's part of us. It's responsible for intelligence." It's as if you've already gotten there, you've verified it in your own experience, and now you're actually demonstrating what it is to have that more cosmic intercommunicative mind. I just want to honor you for that. 

Zach: Thank you. 

Jeffrey: And helping and leading us in that direction. Both from the product that you've created called Restore, but also the thinking that you have. 

Z: Fantastic. I think that that's very generous of you. You know, I'm very excited about the macro version of Restore which is human communication. There's so much to be learned, as you say, in that macro ecosystem. What we have learned is the diversity of the microbiome produces fluent communication. Is it not a very big leap to say, "Diversity of human beings and our racial diversity, and our sexual diversity, or whatever you can come up with - wouldn't that lead to a better communication network as well?" 

Jeffrey: Beautiful. 

Zach: So fluent human communication is going to come through our diversification. Our embracing every niche of the human expression is going to need to come into play if we're going to become fluent in communication as a species. In that, I would invite your group to communicate with, ultimately, the people who are on the ground which are the farmers themselves. Who are right now being held in chemical farming behavior for a lot of political and financial codependence and crush. 

We're creating a nonprofit to free them up, to create the ultimate in freedom and independence in those farmers that they can start doing not organic - but regenerative organic agriculture where the microbiome becomes part of their daily experience again. It's been devoid of that for decades. Bringing the microbiome back into their experience such that the intelligence of that microbiome would inform the foods that they would put on the plates of your children and really fuel health back quickly, so I created Farmers Footprint. 

Jeffrey: Farmersfootprint.us. A beautiful 20-minute film on there with you and others and it's like the beginning of a journey. So that those of us who have been so disconnected from the farm - and even farmers who've been disconnected from their soil, can start that reconnection process. Thank you so much. 

Zach: Let's reconnect. Thank you for having me on Jeffrey, it's always a pleasure. 

Jeffrey: Appreciate it. 

Zach: Love it.