Gene edited microbes and viruses carry unthinkable dangers - Episode 73

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David Avocado Wolfe and Jeffrey Smith share a trailer to a new film and solutions to an unprecedented existential threat posed by GMOs 2.0.

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Speaker 2: (00:07)
Greetings everybody. David avocado Wolfe here. I've got a distinguished guests on my favorite people, and I just love going over to his house and talking to him about science and where science is going and the dangers and not scientism, but actual science. And we're going to get into some of the more innovative things happening right now, and really what he's up to, which is the Institute for responsible technology. That's what we need more of that person is none other than Jeffrey Smith. How are you Jeffrey? Really good. David's so good to talk to you. Great to talk to you too. And I love your upbeat attitude and tell us what what's going on with the latest and let's check it out.

Speaker 3: (00:42)
Okay. I'm going to introduce a completely new, and this is not uplifting in the first part, but the solution is a completely new existential threat to the planet, which eight out of eight audiences that I've spoken with rated it as more serious than global climate change. And some of these were climate change conferences. So I'm going to get out preparing you now hearing it now because what I have, and this is not designed to bring you more fear. We have enough fear of the world as it is, but the information is real. It's urgent and we have a way to solve it. So I'm going to give it, I'm going to lay this down. I'm going to show you a trailer for a film. We're going to release it's two minutes. I think everyone's going to go, Oh my God. I can't believe it. So let me just prepare you in a moment about what this is about.

Speaker 3: (01:36)
We know that if you introduce a genetically engineered organism into the environment, it is permanently part of the gene pool. You cannot recall it that's 0.1 0.2, the most common result of genetic engineering, a surprise side effects, 0.3. So far, they've only introduced a little more than a, maybe a dozen commercialized GM food crops in 25 years with normal GMOs 0.4 with gene editing, it is so cheap and easy. You can create a new organism for the price of dinner. You can get a, do it yourself. Gene editing kit on Amazon for $169. And if you're a transnational, you can produce thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands in robots driven by artificial intelligence, especially microbes. Now put that together and it is possible that we may replace nature in this generation by putting out so many of these gene alter GMOs, that future generations do not inherit the products of the billions of years of evolution, but instead inherit the products of laboratory creations, prone to side effects, creating little genetic type bombs, like invasive species of an entire ecosystem being replaced.

Speaker 3: (02:54)
And then we can look at ecosystem collapse and other. So that's the background to what I'm about to share. And what I'm about to share is you probably you and I were like, Oh my God, they're genetically engineering humans in China. Remember that the conduct, the two twins, they were born. This guy went in there and did some gene editing, which by the way, didn't work, but it can create massive collateral damage in the DNA. Not a good thing to experiment on humans, but our ethical considerations were like up here. Maybe when we see pictures of I'm sure you've seen these horribly suffering, genetically engineered animals, the overt muscular ones, the other ones that couldn't stand, it moves our hearts. So from an ethical standpoint, higher organisms draw our attention from a health and environmental standpoint. It's the lower organisms, which are more dangerous. The microbes, the viruses, incomes, the pandemic.

Speaker 3: (03:53)
And so what are we going to share with you at the end of this trailer is how the pandemic has prepared human civilization to make some changes, hopefully that will protect against future cataclysms. Okay. All right. I first became aware of your insight here when we were last together and wow. It's just been one of those looming catastrophes that just sits over us, but we're more prepared now than ever to deal with it. And we're more aware now than ever. So let's check it out. Let's see what you got on your trailer. Okay. I'm going to do a screen share right now. And this is for a film called don't let the gene out of the bottle.

Speaker 4: (04:37)
You can buy a, do it yourself. Gene editing kit from Amazon for $169. So you can alter bacteria in the comfort of your own home. The most common and consistent results from genetic engineering from the beginning has been surprised. Side effects. When you genetically engineer bacteria, allergy, fungus viruses, they can't be traced and they can pull it freight easily around the planet.

Speaker 5: (05:13)
All of those, um, treatments where the genetically engineered bacteria had been present were dead.

Speaker 4: (05:21)
We're talking about a real world, potential nightmare.

Speaker 5: (05:25)
Just everything that exists in the terrestrial system would be slowly but surely destroyed as this bacteria moved out. So we were within two weeks of that, genetically engineered organism being released two weeks, looking at the ecological effect of a bacterium engineered this way. The logical consequence of releasing this to the real world would be that we would lose terrestrial plants.

Speaker 4: (05:54)
It could theoretically change weather. There is an excellent possibility. It will swap genetic information with the bacteria that reside in our gut COVID-19 is a glaring example of how microorganisms, whether they're genetically engineered or not can quickly and circle the globe. Once GMO bacteria are released, no policy can stop it. There are companies now with facilities full of robots, driven by artificial intelligence for massive release. What if a hundred thousand different strains are released in this generation? What if it's a million, all future generations are sentenced to inherit our mistakes. The time we have to control these things is before you release them. And that is the only time

Speaker 1: (06:48)
The whole world.

Speaker 3: (06:56)
So I apologize for the fear that I'm a have produced what we've got to know, right? We know this is the thing we can't be just, you know, I can't hear it. Ah, and we have to actually know what's going on and we have to know the capabilities of the technology. And if one, let me just rehash what you told me way back when. Okay. So let me rehash this back to when we first discussed this, when I was over at your house, if even one of these got out and was, and it was the wrong thing, we're talking about it, earth wide, catastrophe, it's possible. You see there's a range. And so we chose the ones that are obviously in the film, three examples that are obviously potentially catastrophic. The first one, Elaine Ingam, who was a professor at Oregon state, her, her graduate student was doing a research on some genetically modified bacteria organisms that were about to be released two weeks later when he discovered, well, let me explain how it works.

Speaker 3: (08:03)
Well-meaning scientists engineered Klebsiella plan, tickle up a type of genetic type of bacteria. That's found in every root system, all over the world, engineered it to turn plant matter into alcohol. And these well-meaning scientists wanted to distribute the bacteria to farmers so that instead of burning their fields, they can mix the crop stubble in large buckets and large drums with the bacteria. Two weeks later, pour out alcohol to run their tractors and then take the nutrient rich sludge from the bottom of the barrel, spread on their fields as fertilizer. So then it passed all the studies needed by the EPA and was ready to be tested, to see how far it would spread once released. And then it was going to be sent around to farmers two weeks before it was released, this young scientist who had taken that, which sludge and mixed it with dirt and added seeds found that the wheat seeds die.

Speaker 3: (09:03)
They altered the slime like bacteria was still active in the fertilizer, turn all the roots and then the plants into alcohol. Now that's scenario number one, scenario, number two, how far would it have spread? Would it have had an impact? So some employees from the EPA contacted Elaine Ingo and told her that super secret study had been done by the EPA, that they have never acknowledged where they took genetically engineered bacteria and released it in Louisiana and set up monitoring around it and found that it moved 11 miles in the first year, another 11 miles. And eventually after they had stopped funding the study, but independent EPA employees continue to monitor test and evaluate. They found it everywhere on the planet. Now, having, just having lived now through this current COVID-19 situation, that's okay, obvious that that's possible with these tiny organisms and viruses. It can travel around the world.

Speaker 3: (10:13)
And so the question is what would have happened if this genetically engineered bacteria had traveled around the world and moreover headed a survival advantage over its natural counterpart. Let's say it killed its natural counterpart with alcohol, but since it can survive alcohol, it just moves in like an invader killing all of the natural Klebsiella plant ticklers, which then in turn kills all of the roots. And that's where she said the natural consequence, if that were to happen would be the end of terrestrial planets life of the planet. That's a cataclysm one, single genetic feed your bacteria. Another one, this was almost released in the nineties. In the eighties, they wanted to release ice minus to turn suitable the serene guy into an impotent bacteria, normally suitable to some guy lines up water molecules. Refrigerates them turns them into, into rain, drops into snow, into slated ice.

Speaker 3: (11:12)
And it's part of our weather patterns. Now it also creates frost on strawberries and potatoes. So they wanted well-meaning scientists wanted to reduce the destruction of strawberries in potatoes, but if it had gotten out, it might've changed weather patterns possibly permanently because the point that takes the moisture in the air and turns it into raindrop would not be doing its job if it were the genetically engineered variety. So those are two outdoor releases we could go to the virus world. We don't have to think of COVID. We don't have to think of COVID-19 just think of H five N one avian flu 24 times up to 24 times more deadly than the COVID 19 virus, but it doesn't spread very easily. You have to be around the livestock or the animals a long time. However, two different sets of scientists genetically engineered it to be airborne and say, now if you think, Oh no, it's okay.

Speaker 3: (12:12)
It's secured a laboratory thing. Again. The other version of a five, five N-word was accidentally shipped from the laboratory, the same laboratory that exposed 75 virus, uh, 75 scientists to anthrax, probably the same one that, and then at the same time, they found live small pox virus in a cardboard box, in a laboratory in Maryland. What it's only supposed to be in two secure labs in the world, one in Siberia and one in Virginia. And these are just three examples of hundreds where supposedly secure facilities had accidental releases or near catastrophes. So when we look at what is the lesson learned, David, from the pandemic don't genetically engineer, potentially pandemic pathogens, you jerk don't release genetically engineered microbes, and any time you use them or make them a lock that facility down, because if it gets out, we don't know what might happen. And you can speak to this, the importance of the microbiome and how bacteria share genes between species. So if you create a soil microbe, you may end up with that DNA with the DNA of that genetically engineered insert in your own gut bacteria, you're doing who knows what that ecosystems and human beings and other organisms or larger organisms have our basis of health on a healthy, balanced microbiome.

Speaker 2: (13:45)
I keep thinking of the disaster stories that I read about on plum Island, long Island, which was a USDA facility, originally U S army facility of which Lyme's disease is believed to have escape from. And also West Nile virus and numerous catastrophes happened at that facility. And I just keep thinking, like, we can't keep playing around with this. That's why I love your Institute for responsible technology. We need to actually stop these things before they become chimeric research, or it gets funded or suddenly we got five labs around the world doing it. And so that's really the goal here. Isn't it is to just get a handle on this so that we stop it before it ever becomes a problem. It's kind of like nuclear weapons, proliferation treaties. And as we got to get active on this one, because this is much more insidious, it can spread much more quickly and God knows what the peripheral damage.

Speaker 2: (14:38)
I mean, this is a great point. You bring up the unsuspected side effects. We don't know. I mean, we've got three or 400 different types of bacteria in our gut right now, if we're healthy, what if one of those is disturbed by a genetically modified sequence of DNA and suddenly that affects the whole ratio of the microbiome. And where does that lead? And we know for, with the GMO foods, it's not good, right? It is affecting our microbiome genetic expression. And therefore it's disturbing part of our organism. It's disturbing, it's disturbing our natural protection mechanism, which is the shield of bacteria that lives on us and with us.

Speaker 3: (15:16)
And we know from the only human feeding study ever conducted on correct eating, um, commercialized genetically engineered foods. That part of the gene from genetically engineered soybeans actually did transfer into the DNA of gut bacteria and continued in a stable basis. So we are already maybe colonizing the gut bacteria of this generation unwittingly from putting bacterial genes into food, because it's the bacterial genes that more readily transfer to bacterial, to bacteria. And so we're putting bacterial genes and even viral genes into food, considering it safe, feeding it to people and end up changing the microbiome of our own gut. And also, we now have companies like joined bio and others that want to introduce genetically engineered probiotics to our soil, to the large swaths of soil engineered, who knows where that's going to be again, well-meaning scientists. We're not going to blame the scientists. This is they're doing what they, what they do they take, or they create.

Speaker 3: (16:18)
What we need to do is have the laws in place so that this craziness won't persist, but it goes beyond laws. I know I have gained a deep understanding of the instability of laws and government regimes. I was flown to Poland by the government and gave a press conference with their administer of environment, praising their non-GMO stance. Some years ago, a week later, it was a new government in place that was pro GMO. I worked, I lobbied the, the ministers and departments in Thailand and they chose not to allow any genetically engineered organisms released and field trials. 10 days later, a new government came to, came into place and allowed it. So in addition to implementing strong laws, domestically and international treaties, we need to embed the understanding in popular culture, in the curriculum that we have as a civilization come to an inevitable time.

Speaker 2: (17:25)
What do you do? Do you sense where the current politics in America that I, it just seems like it's like the demo publicans or the Republic. I mean, they're both in, on the GMO store, they're both in with the USDA and the USDA, uh, Alliance with Monsanto. And are we ever going to get past this seeming block? That is just the lobby of companies into the U S government. I mean, that's, it just, you know, it's a difficult experience for us because we're just, doesn't matter. Who's in power. We're constantly in this fight and we need to get almost, it seems like to me, Jeff, we need to get to almost like a Nuremberg code of ethics, right? This is like, this is not, this is something we just, we've got to have like a worldwide international, uh, framework, a Nuremberg code, a code of honor that just stops this stuff. What are your thoughts about that?

Speaker 3: (18:21)
You you've touched on some thoughts I've been thinking about for two years and, uh, we're, we're, we've moving up the food chain on that one. First of all, there is a desire among many members of the house and Senate to create cross aisle issues that can create, um, uh, moving together, especially now with a new administration, that's always the opportunity. And some, there may be some opportunities there in federal government today. Second, the pandemic is for all that it is. And all the disruptions that it's created, a silver lining of the pandemic has been to sound the alarm about this unseen, these unseen kingdoms and the, and the wrath that they can wreak. So the issue is I'm leading. If you watch the film, I read where I started the film actually before the pandemic, it's only like 14 or 15 minutes. It's not done yet, but I'm now leading with the pandemic lessons because it's perfect.

Speaker 3: (19:25)
It's as if it's, as if we have in hand something that everyone can rally around, just thinking about, no, of course we shouldn't enhance the infectious nature of deadly potentially pandemic pathogens. That's obvious, but while we're edit, let's also not decimate the environment, create catastrophes and cataclysms with other members of these unseen kingdoms. Let's not increase the risk of that. And so, because we're in it right now, people can't dismiss it as all. You're just a, fearmonger no I'm being practical. This, you know, if the H five N one airborne avian flu got out with a 52% fatality rate, do I need to say any more? It's like, Oh, and the most secure labs in the world have had accidents where they've accidentally shipped or leaked these products. Do I need to say more? And it's like, so what you said would have been a lot harder to answer a year ago, but because of the pandemic, there is an unmet need to prevent as far as possible future calamities.

Speaker 2: (20:48)
What can, what can people do? So people watching right now, they want to support the Institute for responsible technology. They want to support your work, get your work out there, get the film out there. Where can we send them?

Speaker 3: (20:59)
Okay, protect nature now. Dot com protect nature. You can watch the trailer. You can sign up. You'll be informed when the film comes out, which will be soon, but we have other things that we will want you to do. There'll be opportunities for you to contact your elected officials, to sign petitions, to, to do click and send to Evelyn revolutionary army kind of stuff, where you can send materials, press releases letters to the editor. And if you can, and I hope that you can at least some way support us financially. You see, we are starting a new global movement. Now we're familiar with that. Since we pioneered the global movement focused on the health dangers of GMOs, I've been doing this for a quarter of a century, and we created the behavior change messaging that ultimately took hold and convinced half of the world's population that GMO foods are not safe.

Speaker 3: (21:55)
Now we're pivoting now not focusing so much on the health of GMO foods and the lack of it, but, uh, because our personal choices in the supermarket, while they'll have very powerful effects on whether GMO foods are grown, they're not going to stop the introduction of genetically modified bacteria, viruses, grasses, insects, trees, et cetera. So we need a new type of movement, and we can't afford to wait 25 years. Because by that time, we will have replaced a big portion of nature and maybe already dealing with one or more of these genetic time bombs that go off with cataclysms or catastrophes or problems. So we want to create a worldwide movement, inviting all the other movements to introduce this protection of the integrity of the gene pool, as one of the planks on their platforms, whether you're in climate change or oceans or environmental preservation or animal rights or human health or religious and spiritual concerns, whatever it is, this is critical. Protecting nature is critical. It's only for those that breathe, eat, and live.

Speaker 2: (23:09)
So it only applies to every single thing that we know in the material realm.

Speaker 3: (23:15)
So I'd like to, I'd like to ask if people can not only make a donation and protect nature now, but make it recurring whatever, whether it's $1, $5, $10 or a thousand dollars or more, we actually will be raising millions. It's that we want to know that that money is coming on a regular basis so that we can hire that person so that we can create that film so that we can commit our resources, because we know that you're supporting us and our honor and our team. So I would like recommend that you go to protect nature. Now, sign up so that you stay informed, make a donation, and then share whatever you see and whatever you get.

Speaker 2: (23:53)
I would do want to mention to everybody out there that, um, I know Jeffrey Smith's worked for years and he's done extraordinary work on GMO's. I mean, we would never have the knowledge about GMOs and their dangers without Jeffrey Smith. So it to support him is it's like, you're putting a bet on the right guy, right? There's so many nonprofits and things out there where you don't know where that money went, or like the American lung association or the American heart association where it just gets caught up in bureaucracy. And it's paying salaries for fat cats up there. This is a totally different thing. You're a grassroots kind of guy, Jeffrey. That's what I love about you. And you'd never lose sight of that. And I do want to mention that to everybody out there is I'm a grassroots type of guy, by the way, in, in, uh, 19. And this year we put in 96,000 trees into the ground. This last year, 2020 during the pandemic, we were really, it was really an amazing and impressive year for my team. I was absolutely proud of them. That's the kind of non-profit work. We do this. We are not gonna even have any trees if we don't deal with this other issue. So protect nature now, dot com phenomenal. Really glad you're, you've stepped into this now. So this is a big loop.

Speaker 3: (25:03)
Oh yeah. In fact, what we are as the Institute, we're actually helping to coordinate a coalition. We actually are reaching out to hundreds and hundreds of other organizations and are creating just as we did with the other, as you creating assets that they can use, they can put their own labels on it. You know, we're just basically crafting the best messaging, creating forums, creating materials, creating a structure so that the world can step up to this level and we can protect all living beings and all future generations, because we finally have unfortunately, a technology that can damage all living beings and all future generations. That means we have a new responsibility as humanity. And the good news is that when we actually become stewards, when we see ourselves in that new natural relationship as protectors, it expands our hearts, it expands our minds. It connects us more deeply with nature, and we realize we have a job to do, and it's a job. We can consider it a burden, or we considered an opportunity. No one in human history in the past has had the ability to protect all living beings and all future generations. Now we have that as an opportunity. And so this is an invitation for humanity to stretch individually and collectively into a new role. So there's a huge positivity on the heels of this threat. And that is to take full sovereignty and support and collaboration with others. And with nature,

Speaker 2: (26:31)
That was beautiful. I, you know, I really feel that, uh, you know, obviously I'm an extremely oriented person towards the environment and it's one of those things that, you know, I just feel my heart and my soul that if we don't protect our, we have nothing left, but this is really even deeper because this is an unseen microbiological agent danger that could affect all life. It could, I mean, if something gets unleashed, you could affect a certain race of trees. It could wipe out certain crops and wipe about worldwide, but then a couple of years and so, or even worse. And we've only almost had a couple of incidents like that. No. When you brought up Elaine Ingham, I was thinking about, I know he laid income because of her work with the compost teas.

Speaker 3: (27:10)
Yes. Yes. So, Elaine, um, I've interviewed her like a few times and she's in the film as you saw. And she, she just happened to be the, the advisor of the graduate student. Once she saw that, what happened? She went and spoke in front of the UN that raised the alarm around the world and drove a lot of regulation and the convention on biological diversity and the Cartagena protocol on biosafety. When she got back to Oregon state, she was basically kicked out. They were basically saying, you know, if you're not pro GMO, you have no place here. So she was, he was bounced out of her position. And then they also went after her, you know, how the biotech industry and Monsanto does it, they lie about you. They misquote you. They claim that what you said is wrong. And they, you know, they've tried to do this with me all the time, but she, she tells me now that she's working with natural ways of enhancing soil, that she's actually costs the Monsanto and the biotech industry, billions of dollars by now. So she's, she's out of the payback and she's doing great. So she's seen the film, she loves how it's been presented. She thought we did an accurate job. What I do. I've been interviewing scientists for years and unlike normal journalist, I'll just send what I write to the scientist before I put it out and say, did I get it right? Am I missing anything? I want to be perfect on this. And so I sent her the information and she was impressed.

Speaker 2: (28:41)
Okay, good. All right. That's fantastic. So I feel like we've got a good framework now for a new venture, right. Which is essentially, it's a new environmental movement, which is protecting these microbiome microorganisms from, is it, can you tell me if I'm getting this right? Is it CRISPR technology? Is that the gene editing technology that we're talking

Speaker 3: (29:02)
CRISPR is the one that's the cheapest, it's the poster child. There are others as well, but exactly. We can just talk about CRISPR, just so you know, just so that everyone is equipped. And if you go to our site, this is there. We're going to be, do doing training. We're going to be doing activist, training knowledge and showing everyone what the details of this are so that they can pull the wool over our eyes. But they claim that GMO gene editing is natural, safe, predictable, and is basically doing what nature would be doing anyway, just more efficiently. These are the exact same words they used for GMOs 20,

Speaker 2: (29:40)
That word for word, right?

Speaker 3: (29:42)
And it turns out that we have documented all these different ways that gene editing, including CRISPR can damage create unpredicted side effects for this generation and future generations. In fact, a recent study, I think about mice. They did a CRISPR gene edit, found a change in gene expression that was epigenetic, not genetic epigenetic. And it continued for at least 10 generations. They tested all the mice. So that means doing a gene edit now can cause damage 10 generations later. And wow, they, they have found their supposed poster child of the hornless cattle that was gene edited and said, this shows that it was so perfect. We don't need any regulation. Years later, they found, Oh, guess what? There's bacterial DNA inside your cows with antibiotic resistant genes that could potentially create diseases. Anyway, it goes on and on. It's not natural. It's not safe. It's not predictable.

Speaker 3: (30:39)
And yet many governments of the world are convinced that it is and have a hands-off policy. So in Japan this week, they announced, or last week they announced that there's a gene edited tomato didn't require any review by the government. No safety studies. The U S has a gene edited, mushroom. Hasn't been commercialized yet, but the USDA and others said, we don't need to look at it. It's gene editing, it's safe. So with that attitude, the ability to replace nature, including our food supply is devastating. So part of our education process is to let everyone know the truth about the dangerous technologies.

Speaker 2: (31:15)
Fantastic. And I know there's going to be people listening who will become advocates. So it becomes supporters and may even become evangelists and scientists just involved in this. Cause we've got our whole audience, lots of new young people coming in. I was on the phone today with a guy think was maybe 18 or 19 years old doing an interview. And so we get this new generation to step in, right? Because at some point it'll be like 150. It might be past your, you might be past your prime. And at that point we need new people.

Speaker 3: (31:43)
Well, I'm not going to admit now that 150 would be past my prime, but

Speaker 2: (31:46)
We'll say, well, you're doing good so far in spite of not with your superfoods man. Thanks. You know, one of the things that's important here is, and this is what I love about you, Jeffrey Smith. And, and I think we'll leave it on this note because we've given people a lot and they're going to be able to take, do a lot with the information here and get to protect nature But one of the things that's really beautiful about your approach and it's an approach I aspire to emulate is just having the right attitude about it. All right? Because I think at some level in your personality, you, you know, that we're, as we're spiritual beings, we're having a human experience and material experience and our joy comes from that. It doesn't come from the material world. Is that, am I wrong about that? Or did I get that right?

Speaker 3: (32:26)
Something David? I, I, I, I think about this every time I'm with you, every time I talked to you, every time I hear you, there is a, a buoyancy, a optimism, a glorious celebration in every, in your whole attitude in life. And I'm, so you say you aspire to that. Well, I have to say you landed it. You model it, man. You are, you are awesome that way. And yes, I think that what, like, you're, you get to T talk to people about all these great ways of improving their health and super foods and all this stuff I'm talking about all these ways that they can have, they could be damaging their health and damaging the world, but both need the optimistic model. So that, so that, that actually becomes the energy we're sowing. We're sowing seeds, not just an action and not just physical seeds, but also a vibration and attitude and how we want the world to be.

Speaker 3: (33:25)
So thank you for bringing that up. Well, wonderful. That's so great. And if everyone listening, you know, take that active as in that idea that it's an abundance activism, it's a buoyancy. I love the way you described that and take that into your daily life. It's really a great teaching. And I have to thank my teachers who had part of that onto me. Um, all those years ago that, you know, you have to have them take the right attitude. And there's no sense in the doom and gloom report. It's, you know, it's right. It's just, it's, we're, we're having a human experience down here and it's, you know, a lot of fun and to be an activist, it's a lot of fun to be an environmentalist. And I love that you have that behavioral attitude and that just feeling about you. Okay? So again, everyone protect nature now. Dot com. I'm David avocado Wolfe joined by Jeffrey Smith. Also Institute of responsible technology done tremendous earth quaking work on GMOs and making, making people aware of the dangerous. Thanks so much. Thank you, David. Everyone safe eating.

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