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Do Roundup and GMOs promote infertility or birth defects? Jeffrey interviews author and international investigative journalist Carey Gillam and they both share new (and old) research that’s raising an alarm. Glyphosate based herbicides like Roundup are endocrine disruptors meaning they can manipulate hormones and can affect fertitlity, reproductive functions and alter the development of reproductive organs in unborn children.
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Speaker 2: (00:07)
Yes. Very good. Hi, I'm Jeffrey Smith and welcome Carrie Gillum. One of my favorite people to interview. Hi, Jeff. Yeah. So you have been, I just, for people who don't know you yet, you have viewer, I met you when you were working for writers and on your feet, you covered Monsanto, lucky you, and you actually told the truth and weren't bullied by, well, you, they tried to bully you. They tried to intimidate you, but you stood up to them and creamed them with the truth. So now, now you worked for us, right? To know, and are the leading investigative reporter in the world on the coverup of Roundup and the dangers. And you're having, you have one book, tell us about the previous book and the future book. And then we're gonna go into the serious new issues about Roundup and fertility, but I want to make sure everyone knows how to find you.
Speaker 3: (00:53)
Great. Thank you. Uh, yes. I worked for Reuters for 17 years. It's an international news outlet. I started covering Monsanto in 1998 and a Dow and DuPont and Syngenta and, and all of those companies involved in the agrichemical business. Um, and of course Monsanto's GMO seeds and just came to learn over the years that a lot of what the companies were telling us and what regulators were telling us about the safety of these crops and chemicals really wasn't true. And I put, um, you know, my 20 years of research into a book called whitewash, uh, that came out in 2017 and it's been, you know, pretty eyeopening. I was asked to testify to the European parliament about glyphosate, uh, issues. And, and I've spoken around the world about the revelations that have really come out, you know, not through my own observations, but through just obtaining internal documents from regulatory agencies and, and from the companies involved. So, you know, it is, I mean, you've been on this as well for 20 some years. And you know, there's so much deception that has gone on about, about glyphosate and other chemicals and pesticides that are used in producing our food.
Speaker 2: (02:00)
So our food is sprayed with Roundup or Roundup's chief poison is glyphosate. There's other glyphosate based herbicides, Roundup as the top one. And it's sprayed not only in Roundup ready crops, which are genetically engineered, but on a lot of grains and beans and other products. So it's in the food supply. And now you have a beautiful article sharing, a number of research studies that show that indicate problems with reproductive health, endocrine, disruption, et cetera. I have been also looking at this issue, as you said, for more than two decades. And I've got some issues, some knowledge from stuff that's happened in the past. So I feel like we're playing a card game. Like, you know, you go, you go, then I go, then you go, why don't you share something recent? And then I'll share something less recent and we'll go back and forth. Because what I'm going to say is there's no smoking gun, but there is so much converging lines of evidence that many doctors I know are suggesting that if anyone is planning to get pregnant, they immediately switch to an organic diet. The American Academy of environmental medicine back in 1999, came out urging all doctors to prescribe non-GMO diets and cited reproductive problems in the literature back then as, um, supportive of their position. So why don't you share something from this side?
Speaker 3: (03:22)
Yeah. And I would just like to, to preface it just a moment. So glyphosate, you know, one of the chief concerns with Roundup that's been in the news a lot is, is this idea that causes cancer non-Hodgkin lymphoma, um, specifically. And that's what all of this litigation, uh, around the United States has been focused on glyphosate and glyphosate based herbicides causing non-Hodgkin lymphoma. But as you said, there has been science over the years that has also developed, um, showing an array of other human health concerns tied to glyphosate. And you have so many scientists looking at glyphosate around the world because it is so widely used and because people are exposed to it, uh, not only in agricultural settings, occupational settings, but through the diet because it is used so widely and sprayed directly on so many types of foods. So the reproductive science is perhaps not as clearly established as the cancer scientist science, that they may be up for debate, but the scientific studies that came out the summer, several different ones.
Speaker 3: (04:24)
Um, there was one sort of overarching review paper by a team of scientists from Argentina who flatly said, you know, glyphosate based herbicides are endocrine disruptors, meaning they are messing with our hormones, you know, which, and they can affect fertility, uh, reproductive issues, development of, uh, reproductive organs, you know, in, in children's sort of before their board or, or, um, through, through exposures to their mother. Uh, and they said, this is directly contradictory to what the EPA has been telling us. Um, and they looked at a wide body of evidence. There were then more specific papers and these have all come out in like late June, July, and very early August from different researchers, uh, in the U S university of Georgia, um, from Iowa, from, from, uh, Argentina, as I said, and other places they've looked at rats, they've looked at mice animals exposed to this toxicology.
Speaker 3: (05:22)
They've looked at, uh, sheep, young, young female lambs. Um, and they've even looked at, at poultry at quail. And they've looked at these animals who have had different exposures through the scientific studies. And they're finding impacts on, you know, ovarian, uh, function, the development of the uterus, um, this sort of thing, and all of these different warning signs, I guess, or reasons to be concerned. Now, naysayers are pointing out, you know, these exposures that these scientists were using with these animals were higher than most people wouldn't be exposed to. Um, and the, and the scientist are acknowledging that, but saying there's still a lot of reason for concern. Um, they're seeing glyphosate, uh, having, uh, an impact in something called the, uh, your, how do I say it, the, uh, aromatase, um, aromatase, which is a key enzyme, which is involved in the biosynthesis of estrogen, you know, very important there.
Speaker 3: (06:21)
So they're seeing an impact there. Um, you know, and again, as in many scientific studies, scientists are very low to say, we know this is the be all end all, and no further research needs to be done. Um, but this is another brick in the wall. Another piece of evidence that we do need to be concerned about this chemical that is used so widely, that you're probably serving it to your kids, you know, for, for breakfast, lunch, and dinner and snacks and cereals and things like that. So, as you said, there's been many other reproductive related studies done over the years. And I guess you want to, you want to talk about a few of those as well?
Speaker 2: (06:59)
Yeah. I can just summarize quickly. One of the scariest things is we talk about it in the description. I suggest if anyone is looking to have children to share this video, well, actually share this video with anyone who is who's going to ever have children, not just in the immediate future, but ever, um, and Michael Skinner who works at Skinner labs at Washington state university. I interviewed him on Facebook live back in may of 2000 of 2019. And he just, he injected a round. I think it was glyphosate may have been rounded. I think it was glyphosate into pregnant mice and found no problem with the mice, oddly enough, and no problem with their offspring, oddly enough, but the next generation, not the generation that was born of the pregnant mice, but was born of their offspring. They had significant increases in testes, ovary and memory gland issues as well as obesity, uh, and then their, their children.
Speaker 2: (07:59)
And now we're talking about the grandchildren, great grandchildren of the injected mice. 90% of those had serious problems with the prostate and the kidneys in the, in the second generation, there was, there was very, a lot of unsuccessful pregnancies and most of those effected died. Many of the, uh, 20% of the males and females and the third generation were obese. And he found changes in the sperm cell showing how it was being passed down, epigenetic effects. The genes were the same, but the genes, in other words, they were physically the same, but some were switched on, in some words, switched off in a different way, passed down from generation to generation. So that was interesting, but not surprising to me because we knew that in the Russian Academy of sciences, there were some scientists that did studies there. One that was never published because they didn't have enough hamsters the, in the study.
Speaker 2: (08:56)
So, and they didn't, we're unable to isolate the cause. I spoke to them and they were hesitant to start to publish the research, but they shared the details by the third generation hamsters fed Roundup ready soy that had been sprayed with Roundup. Um, they had, uh, most were, were infertile. Most could not have to have babies. Uh, many had hair growing in their mouth, which has a birth defect. That's normally very rare and it was absolutely disgusting. I saw a picture of it. I never shared it because it was so horrific. They were also smaller and they had three to five, three, four times the amount of infant mortality. And that didn't, that didn't surprise me because another Russian Academy of science scientists are Rena Irma. Cova who I gave a talk with at parliament years ago, she shared her slides with me. Um, she pointed out that when she fed Roundup pretty soy to, um, mice, more, more than half of their offspring died within three weeks and most were unable to have most were sterile.
Speaker 2: (09:57)
Uh, so that was dramatic and shocking. So here we have both the Roundup ready soy that had been sprayed with Roundup, and we have the Roundup alone, which was injected into a Skinner's mice. Now, also there was injected into frogs and chicken embryos in Argentina by Carrasco because he was alarmed that all these peasants being sprayed with Roundup by planes, living next to Roundup ready soy fields had a dramatic explosion in birth defects region wide. It was reported that a 400% increase in birth defects and in one hospital over 70 fold increase in birth defects, very specific type of birth defects, pretty serious ones. And when he injected these embryos for chickens and frogs, he found the same birth defects and was able to track the specific retinoic acid pathway that resulted in that, which is influenced by the Roundup. And I'm just getting started. Do you have any more to report on this summer? I mean, this is heavy duty stuff.
Speaker 3: (11:01)
It is. And I just want to say that that scientist, that you referenced, who is no longer alive, um, unfortunately, but you know, he was endlessly harassed by the agrichemical industry for his work. As many other scientists have been as well. Um, you know, it wasn't enough to try to just take issue or, or dispute his findings. I mean, they really try to destroy his reputation and,
Speaker 2: (11:24)
Oh, it was even worse than that. When they first published it, people showed up, someone showed up very aggressively and demanded to see everything. But then he was giving a talk, I think, five hours from when SRS and he and his colleagues were attacked by an organized mob of about a hundred farm workers. And he made it into a car and they beat him and his colleagues did, and they beat the car for like two hours. One person was, was actually didn't make it, it wasn't paralyzed. So it was very serious. And that's usually when they talk about scientists, we've seen a lot of that threatening their job, canceling their tenure, canceling their, their money to do research. This was, this was a study
Speaker 3: (12:03)
Perfectly. I think I recounted that in my book, that incident as well, that was, that was alarming. But, you know, as you said, and, and we've talked to you about just just people and the effects on, on human, uh, reproductive health, but, you know, researchers are worried as well about livestock, about all of these, these animals who eat a grain that is laced with glyphosate, with Roundup and other glyphosate based herbicides. So that's a real concern as well, um, that, that we have to think about and worry about. And a lot of people don't, don't even realize that, you know, it's expected, um, that not only are we consuming this, this glyphosate in our, you know, cereal for instance, but also in, in me products that we might consume, um, because it carries through the food chain to that degree. Um, and I, I think it might be interesting if, if your viewers, if from the viewers out there, aren't aware, there was also a study that came out was published last week that just speaks to, uh, this exposure and the diet. And they, they looked at families, four families, I believe it was from around the United States. And we're looking at the levels of this chemical glyphosate in their urine, in both the children and the adults. And, you know, it was a small sampling for families. Um, but you know, what they found were really high levels of glyphosate, particularly in the children higher in the children than in the adults
Speaker 2: (13:27)
Five times higher on average,
Speaker 3: (13:29)
Right. And they found that when they switched these families to an organic diet, um, very specific handpicked, you know, it was definitely organic, um, that that was delivered to these people and they switched them to this diet within five or six days, the glyphosate levels in their urine, he dropped about 70%. Um, you know, which just goes to speak to how significant that dietary exposure to this chemical is. And I guess something else I want to say is, you know, one of these studies that, that recently that I wrote about that came out, didn't only look at glyphosate. Now, this was not an animal study. This was more molecular computational, um, study, but they looked at, uh, two insecticides as well as life as say glyphosate as an herbicide. But these two insecticides, which are part of the neonicotinoid category, we call them neonics. Um, they looked at them for endocrine disrupting, um, potential and, and found it in, in these insecticides as well.
Speaker 3: (14:28)
And people need to be aware, you know, we're not only exposed to glyphosate, we're not exposed to just this one pesticide we're exposed to so many, um, you know, maybe not to the degree that we are with glyphosate, but when you're exposed to all of these different chemicals in these different formulations, both through your diet and, you know, perhaps in the water and, uh, you know, glyphosate has even been found in and in air samples, uh, you know, it really, it really shouldn't be, um, an alarming, you know, piece of information for all of us who care not only about our health, but the health of our children and our future generations. And, uh, we're very distracted, I think by COVID and by the virus right now. But we have to understand why people are so vulnerable, why we have so many sick people in America who are not able to survive this virus. And a large part of it is because our bodies are so poisoned already. We are exposed to so many contaminants, pesticides, and other chemicals on a regular basis, and we're, it's making us very sick. Um, and we, you know, I think it's more important than ever that we recognize that. And we look for the upcoming election and every possible election and every possible opportunity to speak to our policymakers, uh, and demand, you know, healthier practices and policies for our future.
Speaker 2: (15:52)
Wow. I love how I'm not talking to a reporter anymore. I'm talking to an activist.
Speaker 3: (15:58)
You're not, no, you're not. It's just trying to educate people. You have to be, I mean, this is why journalists does what a journalists do is provide facts to people that they can use in their lives, um, to demand better regulation. Right. Okay.
Speaker 2: (16:14)
I think it's fantastic. And I'll give some additional, additional summary of some of the reproductive problems if you haven't yet been convinced. Um, one thing that I do when I show slides is arena. Our makeover show shared with me some slides of some of her rats that were, that had gone from, uh, compared to those that have been fed GM soy versus non GM soy. And she looked at the testicles and the, and they had changed from pink to blue that can tire the blood flow had changed. So I show the two sets of this two colorful slides of rat testicles. And then I just leave it there. And I take a very slow drink of water at that point to let it, to let it, you know, uh, marinade the audience. Um, also there was a study in mice testicles showing damage to the young sperm cells.
Speaker 2: (17:03)
This was a long time ago. This study in the late nineties, there was a study of female rats that showed changes in the uterus and ovaries, as well as the hormonal balance. Um, there's also Sarah Leni did some studies showing that the placenta cells were damaged and that inside the cord blood of the, of the pregnant of the pregnant women, meaning inside the, the fetus was rounded up. And also the BT toxin, which is found in, um, BT corn, that's consumed. Um, you mentioned the on-farm, uh, livestock issues. I've been tracking, uh, near epidemic of sterility among cows. And we reported that in my film, genetic roulette, Don Huber talked about a mysterious organism. It turns out it's probably a prion like a substance that he's been doing more research, but he's been blocked at so many levels from, as you know, when researchers get close to something that's hot, a lot of effort is spent to try and suppress that research.
Speaker 2: (18:07)
And he's been facing that, but it's been moving forward and yes, it could explain an additional mechanism forced to Realty. Even the fact that Roundup or glyphosate is a key later in binds with certain minerals, uh, the motility of sperm needs manganese. And if it's, if the manganese is tied up, then the ability for the sperm to swim or spiral as we now know might be changed. Um, we know that the rate of congenital heart defects has gone up in correlation with the increased use of glyphosate on GMO soy and corn correlation doesn't prove anything, but it's a supportive narrative. And we know that in the, uh, in Kauai, on the Western side where there's a ton of GMO research, uh, and they're spraying all sorts of chemicals, there's a tenfold increase in congenital heart problems. Um, and we also know that there's other, uh, uh, types of GMO crops that are sprayed with glufosinate, which is clearly, uh, a chemical that causes birth defects, that if it's exposed to certain fetuses at certain critical time periods, you can get brain problems.
Speaker 2: (19:16)
So we have, I'm just looking at the sea. I think I've covered enough for today. So the thing is, we know this generation, the next generation and the generation after we need to protect the line, we need to protect our epigenetics. We need to protect our health. And, and as you said, it's so beautiful to bring out that right now, when we need to increase our immunity, we need to switch to organic and organic sales have skyrocketed by those who know that. So since the sheltering in place where I had to call blossoming in place, people people have realized they need to clean up their act, clean up their food in order to take extra steps. And please don't stop when the pandemic opens its doors and it's over, please continue and double down on those efforts. Anything you want to add, Carrie?
Speaker 3: (20:06)
No. I mean, I think, I think you made a great point and of course being healthy is about more than our diet. I mean, that's a very big and fundamental part and easiest thing, but the air that we breathe, there's so much evidence that air pollution and damaging the lungs. Those people, you know, are suffering so much right now because of this virus, air pollution, water pollution, the degradation of soil, the loss of nutrients in our crops. I mean, there's a lot here to unpack and people, you know, really need to educate themselves and make this an issue that they want to know more about. I think, because it really is, this is this isn't, these are future generations. These are kids and our grandkids and their kids. And, you know, I don't think that we can
Speaker 2: (20:48)
Afford to look away. Not only that, but I don't think we can afford not to share this information. I, when I walk around the conference that a lot of people know my work. I get stopped in the halls all day from people who say, you saved my life. You changed my life. You saved my family's life. And, and I realized that this knowledge, knowledge has organizing power. According to information theory, knowledge will move the world. And I'm going to ask you now, everyone, who's listening to please share this video. You have no idea what it will do. It may prevent a birth defect. It may allow someone to have kids who couldn't otherwise have children. It may, there's so many ways that knowing this information could prevent damage, save a life, or allow children to be born. We don't know the deep, we can't say for sure what will happen for anyone.
Speaker 2: (21:45)
Cause we don't have that kind of smoking gun evidence, but we do have enough evidence like a smoking shotgun with a lot of evidence compiled. So please share this and continue to share it and continue to share it. And you know, I remember number one time, I was, I was speaking to medical conferences starting in 2006 and I talked to doctors about the dangers and many of them said they were going to prescribe non-GMO diets and that we'd go back and use each year and give more updates. And in 2010, I was in the office of a doctor who had been prescribing non-GMO diets by that time dwell over 5,000 people. And she said, and she could tell how quickly they were getting better just from the switching, the diets. And I interviewed some of her patients in the office and I confirmed what she was saying.
Speaker 2: (22:30)
And in my final discussion, I said, so how did you hear about GMOs? And she said from you, I have no idea. She was sitting in the audience in 2006. It influenced the life of 5,000 people. So it was like, I teared up. It was very emotional for me. And, uh, it's something where we have tremendous power here. It's just a click and click and send a click and send revolutionary. So please be a click and send revolutionary, share this information, save a life and save your own avoiding GMOs and Roundup, which means he can, which means eat organic. If you can't eat organic and you want to know what contains high levels of glyphosate, go to responsible technology.org. We have a report there that you can look at. Every single groups, evaluations of how much glyphosate is in finished products, processed foods and the original ingredients. It's all there. So you get to see what, if you can't eat organic, what you especially want to avoid one hint, oats. Okay. Garbanzo beans. I just don't get me started. Thank you, Kerry. Can you just say one more time? How people can read your magnificence and you have an article on this, where can people find that order? Uh, U S right to know, uh, U S R T k.org. I have, you
Speaker 3: (23:46)
Know, articles and all sorts of information up there. You can also read my book. You can download it. It's an audio book, or you could read it digitally or, or buy the paperback or the hard copy. We've got all of this information in there. The scientific studies, the history, um, you know, that it's people don't usually call me and tell me that they, they feel good after reading my book, but, but they're angry usually. And they've learned something so that thanks for this opportunity to charge them,
Speaker 4: (24:15)
Save feeding everyone. And thank you again, Carrie. All. Alright, thanks. Bye. Bye. Thank you for listening to live healthy. Be well, please subscribe to the podcast, using whatever app you're listening to podcasts with, or go to [inaudible] dot com to subscribe. This podcast will inform you about health dangers, corporate and government corruption and ways we can protect ourselves, our families and our planet. I interview scientists, experts, authors, whistleblowers, and many people who have not shared their information with the world. Until now, please share the podcast with your friends. It will enlighten and may even save lives.