Gunther Hauk, biodynamic bee expert, discusses their survival and ours - Episode 42

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Gunther Hauk is the owner of Spikenard Farm and Honeybee Sanctuary in Floyd, VA., a non-profit farm and organization whose mission is to promote sustainable and biodynamic beekeeping through education, research and a honeybee sanctuary, where people can experience a beautiful landscape in which honeybees and other pollinators can live, heal and thrive.

Gunther was featured in the film, "Queen of the Sun: What are the bees telling us?"  which takes us on a journey through the catastrophic disappearance of honeybees and the mysterious world of the beehive.

In this podcast episode Jeffrey and Gunther discuss the amazing universe of bees and and the intricate and interdependent relationship they hold with humans and our environment.

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Speaker 2 (00:07):

This is Jeffrey Smith. I'm with Gunther Hauk. Hi, Gunther hello. And you know, pardon and everybody else, everybody else. Yes. So you may recognize this, this man's face. If you saw the movie queen of the bees, because this man is like the beekeeper extraordinary, the one that the bees really love. And so he speaks for the bees and he wants you to listen while the bees want you to listen to him. Now, the reason I saw, I mean, I see a lot of documentaries, but one reason I saw queen of the bees is because I'm in it. So I, you know, they have my face on it. I look at it. Yeah. It's like, I think I had four sentences, but you were the main guy. You were the main guy. So I got to know that until that came out, just solving, visiting again and again and asking more questions.

Speaker 2 (01:06):

They didn't tell me that I was gonna be so much in it anyway. It's good. It did a lot of good for the public, waking them up to the plight of the bees, but also to the possibilities that are there. Now we're about to go into that, play to the bees, but let me set this up because a lot of people understand that because of Einstein's quote and all that, which would be happy to give you a chance to repeat and determine whether it's true or not the importance of pollinators, et cetera. But there's another aspect of what the bee health represents that is. We've all heard of the Canary in the coal mine, and this is what happened. They, the miners would literally bring caged canaries down the mines because they were extremely sensitive to toxic fumes. And if they were dead, if you looked over and the Canary was dead, you get the heck out of that coal mine, because you will be dead soon.

Speaker 2 (02:10):

Now it's a horrible way to use a Canary. And yet that was the way that they were able to tell. So there's a quality of the bees in terms of importance for our survival, but there's also a Canary in the coal mine aspect. So this is not just one species. It's one eye, one eye isolated species. This is a species whose survival is intimate, intimately connected with our survival and indicator of planetary survival. I'm going to set that up. And so I'm going to ask people to share this information because just as the, the hives, the bees are speaking to, [inaudible] telling him what he knows, what they know, so he can share it with us. Please do your part and

Speaker 3 (03:00):

Share this with others, because this is an opportunity for a species and an ecosystem to speak to us all. So that's the setup. Go to our, please give us, take, walk us. Well, thank you for that introduction. I think the bees touch our hearts in a very special rate. So when modern agriculture and really went gung ho with insecticides and pesticides and fungicides side mean steps. So the awful seeing is that we're working in the realm of life and for the living food with death agents. But when that went on for a while in the sixties, actually the frogs amphibians were dying in the nineties. Other, other species came to it, you know? And, and so that didn't touch people. So people would say, Oh, well, I don't like frogs anyway, you know, and so on. But the honeybees, they touch our heart because there is a very special relationship.

Speaker 3 (04:11):

It, as we evolve, as we evolve, the bees have been with us. And now trying to show us what we could do in the future. The social organism is magnificent, imagined 50,000 factory workers working together. Harmoniously. I love it. It it's, it's just amazing or that they, they don't. I have one directing all of the things like the queen, the honor, she she's the greatest servant. Imagine all year long, she's just laying eggs 1,500 to 2000 a day. Never seeing the sunlight, the physical sunlight, never enjoying the flowers, but just working. She, I mean, this is actually the greatest. Kim was the one who could serve the people best. We don't have that right now, that kind of relationship. So the bees dying already in the sixties, there was a great dying off of the bees in the nineties. Again the article in the New York times, the hush of the hives woke up people.

Speaker 3 (05:29):

Of course the chemical companies were right there saying, okay, we'll give you the solution. They're always right. They're giving us solutions that are creating more damage and they are healing. So then with colony collapse, of course, in 2006, 2007 it was another, another crisis, another level of crisis. So we start off with a small crisis. If we don't heat the crisis for a change, we get a bigger one. And then a bigger one, if you don't hit that, that that's the norm. The crisis is a gift from above that we have to change our direction. The Greek word creases actually has to do with a circle. And if you go from one point to another point on the circle, you changed direction. So this is the call of the time that we have to change something. And if you don't well, then the weapons of mass destruction come on after the knock on the shoulder.

Speaker 3 (06:35):

So I wrote the book towards saving the honey bee, like six, seven years before colony collapse disorder, because the writing was on the wall. You could see that it's the amount of insecticides and pesticides and add to that, the loss of a forage, the loss of habitat, and add to that, the monocultures and add to that conventional beekeeping practices. That's what I'm working on, mainly because of conventional beekeeper loves his beads, but why does he love them? They give him a profit. And so there was an advertisement once in the new, in the papers, we asked our bees what would make them more profitable. And that was the, to advertisement for plastic foundation. Instead of letting them build their own honeycomb, you give a plastic insert you know, I mean, I ask women, would you like to have a plastic insert in the uterus for your baby? And nobody ever said yes, but for the bees, it's okay because it's, it saves money. It, it gets us more money. So all the conventional beekeeping methods are to increase the profit. And not one question was ever asked to the B, what makes you happy? What may, what do you need for your wellbeing? And this is actually what, what is being, what the bees are trying to tell us.

Speaker 2 (08:16):

This is beautiful. And I love the fact that you pointed out the special relationship between humans and bees. And it comes through the products of those bees, the honey, the wax, the, the propolis Royal jelly and all that, but also the amazing structure of their society. And it creates, it shows a level of intelligence that's breathtaking. We don't understand it. We don't have that. And I'll tell you there's, from my experience on, I wrote about this in my first book, seeds of deception, when there was evidence on the dangers of GMOs in Europe, no one was talking about it in the United States. It was basically censored from the mainstream media, a whole discovery by our pod poos Thai scientists. What got everyone's attention a few months later was the decline of the Monarch butterfly, which they, which I think it was Michael Paul or someone wrote the Bambi of the insect world.

Speaker 2 (09:16):

And I think it was the Monarch butterfly that brought people's attention to the dangers of GMOs. And it's the honey bee. That's bringing attention to the dangers of pesticides and ecosystem potential collapse. So I just wanted to give that parallel that one of the things that the insects are doing is drawing our attention to that. Whether it's the beautiful Monarch butterfly that just as it flutters by, it creates this wave of love in our hearts or the intelligence of the bees that give us the sweetness of the honey. So I wanted to bring it back to you. Go ahead. Yes, exactly. I just want to mention why

Speaker 3 (09:54):

I'm saying, because you mentioned a Roy to challenge and a lot of people,

Speaker 2 (09:59):

We don't know that nearly

Speaker 3 (10:01):

Yes and millions and millions are Cree. Our Koreans are being raised to the point of the eighth stay. And then the larva is taken out of the cell. The Royal jelly is harvested and those creams are fed to the chickens. So that is one of the most grave as misuse of raising Queens. So we should avoid all products that actually have and jelly in it, but one to, you know, save a few wrinkles or in, or strengthen themselves. And we can do that in other ways. Read a good book.

Speaker 2 (10:47):

I just read a good lecture.

Speaker 3 (10:49):

I know you are more invigorated. And Sue said, ms. Rajani

Speaker 2 (10:54):

So you're talking about Rudolf Steiner, cause you're a biodynamic beekeeper. We can talk about some of the magic of biodynamics after we lay the foundation for bees. I cut you in from the middle. I want to make sure you keep taking this down this. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:08):

So the main call that the bees are giving us are, look at us animals, whether it's a cow, a pig, a chicken look at us animals, not only as a dollar sign, but see that we are well cared for. So chicken in a little cage with a beat cut off just as an egg producer a horrible life. When we forget that those animals have a soul, the word [inaudible] means soul.

Speaker 2 (11:43):

An animal is an insole being, it has feelings, it needs to move.

Speaker 3 (11:49):

So a pig in one of those crates in the whole lifetime, just giving off little piglets, you know, a horrible life. And we don't only eat the meat. We actually eat the suffering too. We eat the suffering and what that does for our karma and what that does for the future, this terrible plight of all these domesticated animals. It's just horrible. And so somebody needs to be on the forefront to wake us up to that. And I think the honeybees and the Monarch butterflies are, are selected because they all touch our hearts, all the butterflies still I'm even beginning to not be so negative about the cabbage shopper, eating holes into the cabbage, you know, because yeah, th the butterflies are actually disappearing too.

Speaker 2 (12:53):

Oh yeah. Big time, big time. And I'm going to give a, just to catch people up if they're not aware. The BT toxin in corn and in South America, soy and also in cotton is designed to break open the guts of certain caterpillars and kill them. And it has some it's designed for specific insects, but it has influence in other insects. And there was one variety of BT corn that was damaging Monarch butterflies. And there was a big cover up. And I talk about this in my book and they quietly got rid of it, but what's happening now is not the BT corn. That's the primary, it's the Roundup sprayed in the Midwest, killing all of the other plant biodiversity, including the milkweed. And the milkweed is the only source of the larva food for the, for the Monarch butterfly. So we're starving them out and plunging their numbers. Okay. That's Monarch butterfly. That's one bell going off and sh and absolutely a huge alarm. It's a fire alarm. Yes. Tell us, give us the numbers. When people talk about colony collapse disorder, is it still going on? I heard something horrible about the numbers just this week. Tell us what actually are the numbers what's going on. Shock us a little so we can hear that alarm. And then, you know, grab our attention, please. That one, what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (14:22):

I don't read much in the paper anymore because other things are more important. Like a question about a flag and the question about this and that, that seems to be more important than our very existence. So the numbers are, so they are, we're using still using 1.8 million tons of Roundup for a year. And a ton is approximately 2000 pounds. Yeah. You can't even imagine you can't even picture the amount that we're using and it's this drawing all of life. As you say, not only the Monarch butterflies in Europe, we have lost now of 70%, 70, almost 77% of all flying insects in the last 30 years. Imagine that, and the scientists are saying, if this goes on, we don't have it any insects in a hundred years. So 77% of all insects lost in certain years in three decades. And what people don't know is that these insects are food for the birds, they're food for the fish.

Speaker 3 (15:48):

The cat is fly. The mayfly, all of these things. And these fly larva clean the waters. I mean, it's just so interrelated. All of it. And the scientists are actually saying great ecological disaster is looming ahead of us. If we don't solve that problem, it's really that bad. And calling the collapse, yes, there are not really good numbers out. I think the colony collapse is just one aspect of the bees suffering and dying. And yeah, the numbers are not as frightening as they, as, as they could be as they should be, because we had about 6 million colonies in America in the 1950s. And now we have like 3.3 or 3.4 million. So half of it, but we can keep up that number by making a lot of splits. In other words, by a lot of produce producing a lot of Queens and, and dividing up the colonies into two or three colonies, all of that is being done to keep the number fairly level, but it's all that effort that goes into it.

Speaker 3 (17:12):

And the queen song lasts that long anymore because we raised them artificially. See, we do all of that mechanically, artificially and nature, which can do it so well is being driven out of nature. In other words, we, we prevent swarming. So, which is understandable if you are a beekeeper, was it even only 5,000? Not, not 50,000, but even only 5,000 colonies. You can keep up with forming. You'll go nuts. You go crazy. You know, we two years ago we called 49 swarms in one year. And that brought us us to the brink of having the equipment and everything else. So when you're a migratory beekeeper, you can't do that. So you prevent swarming, swarming creates natural Queens. So we actually found out in in the 19th century that you can raise Queens out of worker larva, but the worker larva are in the wrong environment, in the wrong position and in the wrong form for a quarter of their life.

Speaker 3 (18:28):

Does the form have an influence on the living being yes. Does the position have an influence? Yes. So if I would challenge you, you don't lie down, you stand up, right? So the upright position is actually the Royal position for us. Every psychiatrist knows that. And so raising Queens out of a horizontal cell is not giving a full sledge queen. And we've done that over a hundred years now. So that's one aspect by the Queens are not last thing. And why beekeepers say, Oh, you have to requeen every year or Atlanta, at least every two years.

Speaker 2 (19:12):

So normally if the beat, if the queen is Mae is produced naturally, how long does the queen last generally? And how long does it last? And it lasts only two or three years or whatever,

Speaker 3 (19:24):

Five years up to seven years. I don't think in our time anymore, there is just so much destruction going on in the natural environment, but four to five years, a natural queen can live that long.

Speaker 2 (19:41):

No, it's interesting. I've been working with veterinarians and others who the there's a change in what is expected as the normal it's like when, when GMOs and Roundup were dumped into the human food supply and ended up into the pet's food supply and lifespan went down dramatically. And there's a lot of other things, there was digestive disorders and allergies and itchy, whatnot. And the, the veterinarians that were around before GMOs and Roundup remain shocked, seeing a drop in the lifespan and in the health and an increase in these diseases. Same thing with livestock, veterinarians, those that came on the scene after GMOs and Roundup are produced. They just, they just assume that the animals are going to have these type of digestive problems. And there's going to be a certain amount of, of high levels of deaths among the piglets, et cetera, but that's not natural. So I'm so glad I'm asking you what is natural because it might, people might hear, Oh, you know, the average queen lives only one or two seasons, but no, that's the artificial scenario.

Speaker 3 (20:51):

Exactly. And we sort of prized that because we have so much emphasis on usefulness. So the, the wisdom that comes hopefully with old age is chunked. You always have new, you have new Queens, you have young Queens that's productive, but the wisdom how to deal with certain adversities, you know, that is gone in the young Queens. So yeah, we and, and as you say, we're taking this as a new normal, because people don't look back in history, you know?

Speaker 2 (21:30):

Okay. So I want to talk about actions that people can do, because, you know, when you talked about the drop in insects, if 77% of flying insects in Europe, and I just read an article where one citizen scientist, a entomologist found a dramatic reduction on his farm, and he's been testing it for 30 years. And it's like, where did all the insects go? That was in North America? People are going to, we need to do something now. There's a, there's a sense of helplessness. If we give those kinds of numbers and don't give an action that people can do. So let's talk about the actions now to talk about the actions. You talked about, pesticides in general, as the part of the process, part of the problem. And there's, I know of at least two classes of, of insecticides herbicides that are driving this or neonicotinoids as a pesticide and Roundup.

Speaker 2 (22:35):

So let's, let's, let's name them and then figure out what we can do on the local level to protect insects in our area. And for those that have more energy can do it on a state level. And for those that have more energy can do it on a, on a federal level, but let's identify the vectors. And I, first of all, I want to apologize for doing it this way, because we both know it's a holistic problem. And you actually gave an answer from a holistic perspective, and that is don't ask, well, how much money you can make from the B or the cow or the pig, or the chicken talk about how you can support the life and living of those animals and insects. That would be a holistic way of thinking differently. Even if we make that thinking differently, we still have to do something on the level of protecting against a great extinction happening right now. So I apologize for drilling it down to something that's only a partial fix, but can you tell us about neonicotinoids and its effect on these and also what they are, and also Roundup what's on bees

Speaker 3 (23:46):

And how that works? Yeah, well, the need new cut noise say disturb the nervous system tremendously, but I suspect not only that you see, we focus on one saying these poisons affect us in a great deal in a, in a great way and in a complex way. And so neonicotinoids are the number one insecticide worldwide being used worldwide. And Roundup is actually a great antibiotic. So what does that mean? Bio means life. So it's against life, the knife in us that we depend on in our gut and the life outside. So what we don't know is how they work together. So with an EPA, we established certain levels. Okay. The yeah, you don't die if you have that much, but, you know, so we, we say that's a safe level, but how they work together is just amazing. And how did you serve?

Speaker 3 (24:55):

Not on our nervous census, some but our metabolic system, which relies on the nervous system to that. They all, it all works together organically as an organism. So I would S I I'm shocked when I go online and I still see a question, like, how can I get rid of bees and the answer y'all get your Roundup or whatever, you know? So in Europe, for example, you are not allowed to move a hornet's nest on your own. You have to call the environmental protection agent in your area, and he would move it because we know the Hornets are also very important in nature. So we just think anything that crawls and disturbs us should be wiped out. So one of the first things I would do is have a group of people go to home Depot and Lowe's and those places, and say, get rid of all the rage, get rid of all the Roundup and all of these poisons.

Speaker 3 (26:11):

Our Alex took on header, just a webinar two weeks ago on the steam insects. And this is amazing because they produce the ants. For example, produce an acid that is called formic acid or in German, it's antacid, not and acid, but antacid and the ants. Yeah. And this acid, the Simi insects produce in a variation of that. And that is actually the acid that is as important as the acid we have in every cell, the DNA, the RNA, it's a support of all life, the plants, animals, and us. And so it's these seeming insects that actually produce what we need to be here on earth as a spiritual and social being. So if we don't support these animals, we are out and coming back to Einstein, whether he said it or not, I haven't seen it yet, but I think for years I would give a 10 years, I would give it 10 years or 20 years.

Speaker 3 (27:28):

But if those seeming insects are not predicted protected, they will not supply the formic acid, which all the plants need, which we, which we need, which the earth organism as an organism needs. And just one, one aspect, for example, I'm getting rid of the, all the Django's sound in Brazil, the amount of and set are being killed. There is just amazing. And it said rainforest that produces a lot of the surplus formic acid that is not produced anywhere else. So this interrelationship globally is just tremendous. So getting rid of Roundup and all these poisons for the personal use, first of all, and then we have to work on agriculture. The Rodale Institute in Pennsylvania proves that in 10 years, you can produce as much organically as you can and conventionally, but of course, farm a conventional farmer can, can work 5,000 acres as a side job.

Speaker 3 (28:39):

That's the difference? You know, so our whole mindset has to be changed. Our whole understanding of nature has to be changed and everybody can start very personally. First of all, you can, you can grow a lot of wonderful plants. Milkweed is only one on our website on spiking out farm. We have a whole list. We also sell some of the best pollinator plants. And they're good for the nature of plants. There are about 4,000 species of native bees. Now plants native bees, about 4,000 species in America. Wow. And they, they are going to half of the bumblebees are gone already. And some of the other smaller ones are, are close to extinction. We don't know about them. The Xerxes society knows or about them, but it's very hard to get numbers on that because they're so small and they're not in one spot like a beehive. And so this protection has to go on very fast. Otherwise, you know, whatever we are worrying about right now, politically equal other ecological things it's gonna be too late. It's like, for me, it's like, you're close to stepping off the cliff and you're worrying whether your tires sitting correctly.

Speaker 2 (30:06):

That's a nice analogy. I want to give people the website again, because so one thing that people can do is they can plant the recommended plants and seeds that you That's spike SP I K E N a R D, right? Spike and ARD farms. And there's also, if you are a beekeeper or interested in being a beekeeper, take a look at the FAQ section for beekeep for beekeeping. You realize that there's so much, so much information on that website. It's an absolute treasure. And then also you want to stop the use of Roundup yourself, but you want to also arrange for your community, your homeowners association, your city council, your parks, and recreation, your schools, your golf courses, your County. So you can go to Roundup and we have resources that you can use. Sometimes you can stop the spraying of Roundup in a single phone call followed by one email.

Speaker 2 (31:08):

And we have a whole single phone call strategy, because if people realize that it's a carcinogen and they realize it's dangerous, and you realize it's an alternative, we will, you just send the link to that one page, which describes all that. And you oftentimes, the people in charge are completely ready to change. They just needed to see the information and that there are alternatives for neonicotinoids. I know you see pronounce it differently. I've never, I I'll go with your pronunciation. It comes from, it comes from tobacco derived, nicotine derived insecticides. They actually coat genetically engineered seeds and a lot of other seeds in these neonicotinoid. Time-Released insecticides to kill soil born insects while it's growing. In fact, because the BT insecticide genetically engineered corn, for example, doesn't kick in for some days or weeks, the, they rely on this.

Speaker 2 (32:06):

Time-Release poison to kill off the insects until the BT gets produced in high enough concentrations. So the whole GMO industry relies on this neonicotinoid insecticide, and it's also being used all over. And I understand that when they, they, they have shown in studies that when neonicotinoids are exposed to, you know, to hives, they have trouble getting back. The bees have trouble getting back to the hives when Roundup, same thing, an inability to find the way back to the hives. Neonicotinoids has been the primary of, of the anti chemical protect the bees movement. But there's certain ways that the bees die that is not explained by neonicotinoids alone. But if you add Roundup into the picture, you realize, Oh, they're diving. They're, they're starving because they can't digest because Roundup kills the gut bacteria that helps them digest. And so when you put the Roundup and the neonicotinoids together, that can explain so much of the colony collapse and the problems, am I getting this right?

Speaker 3 (33:09):

Yes. And let me just give you an example. We take one's substance and it's okay. We take the other one. It's okay. To take carbon. Great. You know, take a sulfur, not bad. You'd take nitrogen. Well, that's fine. You know, put it together and you have gunpowder, you know, that's how these things work, not just one or two. So I'm glad you mentioned the resistance that we need to also practice. We weren't going to get sprayed at actually at the Piper center and the threefold community in spring Valley, we weren't gonna get sprayed against the West Nile virus. So four of us went to the health department and we said, if you spray us, you have a lawsuit. Oh, they were so amazed and astonished because people called in, why haven't you sprayed us already? You know, and we, I mentioned a book silent spring by Rachel Carson. None of the people at the health department had heard about it. So we are repeating the mistakes and this resistance and not, not just taking everything that is out there, we have to have the courage to go swim against the stream. Really only dead fish swim with the stream. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:40):

And while we're on quotes, tell us the quote from Einstein that

Speaker 3 (34:45):

If the honeybee goes we have four more years to go. And I would say whether it's four years or six or 10 or 20, it is really that serious. And with the bees, I would also say, and the ants and those two are the most important because of the sheer numbers. They are both organisms that survive the winter as, as an organism. And the bumblebee does. And then all the other piece, don't only the young queen survive. So as a state, the honeybees and the, and the ans are the most important, they can produce a form of acid already in January, February, March, and in March in our climate, the bond of the queen comes out and takes another month and a half to build up on this or two, two. So

Speaker 2 (35:38):

Yes, the personal resistance. And another thing you mentioned, I like try not to do it alone, get people with you and then go to these departments. That's very effective. I think if I would have gone alone, I might not have prevented them from straight spraying. They actually stayed away one mile from us, the power of a threat to have a loss. Yes. One of the, one of the great benefits of our civilization in one direction in my marriage. So I want to say, we're going to wrap up here and I'm going to also check for a moment on the questions that may have been coming up on the, on the site. So if anyone has any questions, if I, as long as I can get over to those questions and look at them or comments I want to give a perspective that I, that I know you have, and because in part, because you are a biodynamic farmer and in part, because you are a observer and appreciator of nature when we drill down into the stinging insects, we find this ant acid.

Speaker 2 (36:54):

When we drill down into the pollinators, we find that they pollinate one third of everything we eat, according to some that ever that, that our agriculture depends on that pollination. And we look at the dung beetle and there's something that it does, which is simply astounding. If you find out what the dung beetles, Google that look at an animation. It's amazing. When we start to look at each individual insect or animal or, or tree it's like when you think about how does a tree grow in a forest that gets no sun? Well, the mothers and fathers, the tall ones will send nutrients through the microrisal fungus network and feed the young ones like a nursery until it gets some directly. It's amazing. Now the quality of interaction, the quality of intelligence is breathtaking, but as you just pointed out and with the, with the ant acid, it supports life and it supports our lives.

Speaker 2 (38:02):

You know, if the honeybees, God, we may perish. If the answer, God nature may perish. If insects are gone, the birds may perish. The, the fish may perish. There's a level of, Oh, I don't want to even use the word into, you know, interactive network. It's kind of all inspiring as to how amazing the interdependence and interrelationships are. So that if anyone looks deeply, one area, they look at me and go, Oh my God, we need this, we need this, we need this. So I appreciate your add your perspective on the need to protect the nature of nature, to reclaim it, where it has been lost to protect it, where it hasn't, and to look into the minds and hearts of the insects and the animals saying, what do they need to, to flourish, to be happy to be honored. And this, I think is a bigger takeaway than banning Roundup in your area. It's a bigger takeaway because this is something that will guide a lot of our decisions, a lot of our, of our way that we think and the way we convey it to others. I want to thank you for the new principal. Go ahead.

Speaker 3 (39:30):

And can I say one saying, please you use the word all, and I'm so glad that about 40 years ago things were all full, full of all, and now they are all some, and that is very positive, but whether it's dung beetle or the cow or the honeybee, they were all sacred at one point because they are life sustainers. And we have to Regaine that all and wonder and reverence and respect. And you know, that we've lost it and we have to regain it on a broad level because the intelligence that you mentioned in everything from each blade of grass, there is intelligence that we, we are discovering, but we don't know it all yet. And the interrelationships is just awesome. So whatever your folks that are viewing this can do in that respect, supporting you, supporting the work we do with spiking up farm would be great if, and do whatever you can locally too.

Speaker 2 (40:57):

I will, I will. I think that's great. I think we should, people should go to spike and farm and figure out how they can participate in planting Mike Burton mentions. I don't have bees in my garden or around my home, but live very near woods and have plenty of flowers, including buckwheat and other attractive plants. Why aren't they coming here? Short of becoming a beekeeper that's Mike's question. I think, you know, Mike, you moved Floyd and he was in charge of sustainable Floyd for a long time, but now he's the managing director of the Institute for responsible technology. Hi Mike. So if you have a comment from Mike, well, I Mike's

Speaker 3 (41:34):

Work here in Floyd very much at that time and that he's not with you. I find that really so important and so good for him and what he's doing. So if you are planting something, don't just plant two or three things. That's one thing you need a whole group of it. And then if you only plant one thing like milkweed also look at the insects. So peep them, the native and the the other ones, you know, and butterflies, they need food basically almost all year round. So get into that. It's a lot of exciting research that can guide you there. And a lot is on our website that both help you. And if you are so inclined, keep bees, but not for the profit keep. And yeah, it's a profession. So you have to also learn something. You can't just put a beehive there and seeing kids sell, right.

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And your Gerta says, thank for the, thank you for the info, but how to reach the public. I think one thing that you can do Gerta is share this and anyone who gets this, please share it. It's really, it's really magnificent to be part of that Vanguard of spreading the information of being ripples, being part of that ripple. Anything you want to add about how to get it out to others?

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Well, one thing is don't rely for the government to do anything quickly. It's a slow machine and there are too many other things happening. So the local ground for us is what you have to rely on and team up with other people, write articles for your newspaper. And, and yeah all the best in communicating become a community of likeminded, people who are willing to work for the change. I think the young generation look at the Swedish girl, tuna, you know the young people it's their future. Well, it's my future too, because yeah, we, we evolve. We evolve here on earth and it's the only place where we can evolve actually other topic

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That was get into bowel dynamics another time. So Belinda says I don't use chemicals on my lawn, but my neighbors do so Belinda I would say go to secret ingredients, and take a look at the movie. There that's something that I did with Amy Hart and it talks about the dangers of Roundup to consume. And when people watch it, first of all, it's become the most effective conversion tool for people to eat organic because it shows how people, when they switched to organic, their family members overcome autistic diagnoses. And for a couples of kids, people who have cancer just at the reversal is pretty remarkable and it's very compelling, but it also tells anyone, Oh my God, I can't use Roundup. So it, you may give it to them in terms of protecting them and their kids, but they'll get the point about the round. If that becomes the second thing, it's often easier to help people change for their personal health. And they may not think in terms of bees or soil bacteria or whatever, but if they are, you know, they're using it, then they're going to be exposed to it. So let's try that and see if that works. Gladys says spike art farm is beautiful place, worth the visit. So I'll

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Give you a little push

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And I would have pushed to expand that. You're going to hear it.

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Sure. Something for a minute until I can. Well, it's not working, so here we go, here we go. Now I can get to most of it to the other. Okay. Belinda saying she has secret ingredients. Good.

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John said, Joan says we've lost the connection to nature. Absolutely. Main point here.

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Yeah. Linda says, yay. Love Floyd. Hi Linda.

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We need you to, because our planet is in dire trouble says Joan. Yeah. I think we need you to Joan. One of the points is it's like we get information and it has to be shared and then expanded upon. So Tara says, I have so many questions. That main two is I'm excited to getting a few hives again for our small permaculture farm. We're in a very rural area of Northern California. I'm wondering where I can get a natural queen. And if I end up with a worker queen, if I'm allowed to them to swarm with the new Queens queen, be a natural even though they come from a worker queen. So th th this is getting into some technical questions and I'm happy to give you the floor on this one, but I know that I on others will probably send it, send you over to spike in art farms. Go ahead.

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So you can go to one of your neighboring beekeepers and ask him if they ever have a swarm. They might blush and feel embarrassed that they let the bees swarm, but that's where you can get a natural queen because the created the hive raises five, six, seven, eight Queens, not just one. And there is a surplus there. Alright. Okay.

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And Patricia asks about five G and radio-frequency exposures to hives. What's the research on EMS and hi

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Health. So let me put that in a general tech context everything that we do affects the bees that the national and worldwide greed,

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The lack of truthfulness, the anger and aggression, all of these Astro qualities affect the bees soon. So everything five G of course, yes, we have to cope with it too. It's, it's gonna be a great challenge, but we have to rise up and I mean, I can give you a quote by Steiner where he says, yes, whenever we go into the sub natural sub sensory realm, like a nuclear energy and all that, we have to rise as high above into the super sensible or road as we go below. So these are all actually challenges for us. Thank you. And I think I'm going to take that as, as a way to close, we have developed technologies that have the capacity to do more harm than any time in human civilization. I've been involved as you know, on GMOs for 24 years and the GMO pollution, unlike chemical pollution, doesn't dissipate, it spreads and becomes a permanent part of the gene pool.

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Now that we have gene editing, we can introduce different types of organisms very quickly, especially micro organisms and overwhelm through nature, through introduction and replace nature. So that all future generations won't inherit the products of the billions of years of evolution, inherit laboratory creations. Who's number one, most common result of surprise side effects. And the insects are not spared. The department of defense has looking at a technology to genetically engineer insects who can then deliver genetically engineered mechanisms into field so that they carry the GM, the GMO tools. And they deposit them in the form of viruses to the dude to do the genetic engineering and the fields. So, again, this was part of your first question. What can you ask a B what can you do to be more profitable? You asked the department of defense. No, don't as the department of defense.

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Yeah. These don't ask them. So we're dealing with a situation where instead of respecting and enhancing nature, we're trying to bend nature to fit into our profitable models. They want to genetically engineer out of, of CAFO animals. In fact, the farm animals, the mothering instincts that when you take away their children, they won't be sad. I mean, this is, it's a bizarre way that we're now trying to control and manipulate nature, using the tools of genetic engineering, using the tools of chemical agriculture to bend to our will. And instead it is bending and breaking nature. So actually right now, so I'll give you the chance. You're a wise man. You're a B whisper, even though you don't like to be called that because it puts you, but can you tell us some wisdom, wisdom from the bees and wisdom from nature before we close?

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Well the wisdom of the bees is actually that they perform everything that needs to be done in the most selfless way. I know no other animal that gives us much and take some little. And when we learn that, then we are closer to the goal of humanity. We are not there yet. So let's keep the bees and let's learn from them. And there are some fantastic webinars online that you can get deeper into it, for example, about the stinging insects and other things and DPP. So that's where we are at and where we can help. Beautiful. That is a magnificent way to end. Thank you everyone for listening. Please share this I'm behalf of the bees on behalf of the insects and the birds and the fish and the ants and the intelligence of nature. Please share this and please think what you can do first to rethink the way you look at nature, the way you look at bees, and then what you can do in the world of humans to help protect all of our friends, say feeding everyone. And thank you going, sir. Thank you, Jeffrey for having me all the best to you too, and your work. Thank you. Bye bye everyone.

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