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Jeffrey Smith interviews Farida Akhter, executive director of UBINIG (a policy and action research organization in Bangladesh) and organizer of Nayakishi Andolon (a biodiversity-based farmers movement), and Afsar Jafri, Asia program staff at GRAIN (an international non-profit that supports small farmers and social movements for community-controlled and biodiverse food systems.)
They discuss the corrupt approval of Golden Rice and its risks to human health, farmers, and the environment.
Jeffrey also shares a shocking story about the deadly impacts of another genetically engineered food staple.
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Speaker 1: (00:08)
Hello, everyone. I am so excited today to interview two leaders of nonprofits working in Asia who have co-written a book, I mean an article, excuse me, I'm not going to make you authors just yet. Co-written an article about a very dangerous approval of genetically engineered golden rice and the Philippines. And I'm wearing a shirt that I bought in the Philippines. It's a traditional type of shirt in the Philippines to honor and support that country. Uh, we're here with [inaudible] and all-star Jaffrey. Their description of their organizations is written in the description of this talk, but we're going to speak about golden rice and the corrupt approval, and also the risks associated with it for human health and the environment. Um, so who would like to start and give the description of what's taken place and the approval process and how it, uh, overlooked some of the more serious issues.
Speaker 2: (01:19)
I think you go ahead please. Okay. In fact, uh, uh, you know, the Philippines government has recently approved, uh, come given commercial approval. It's basically the, uh, the bureau of plant industry, which is, uh, uh, a division in the department of agriculture, uh, or also Paul Paula's, Phil rice. And they issued a buyer safety permit for commercial propagation of genetic in genetically engineered Bolden rice recently as 21st of July, 2021. So this, and it's not a, I mean, this was a problem earlier, they have already given approval. Uh, I think sometime in 2019, uh, uh, for, uh, basically it was, uh, for the direct use of food feed and processing, but now this is this for a recent approval list for commercial propagation.
Speaker 1: (02:27)
So to give a background to golden rice golden rice, it's the poster child of the genetically engineered movement, uh, claiming that it's going to protect people from vitamin a deficiency, uh, and vitamin a deficiency can cause blindness. And yet, as we will see during this interview, the proclamation that golden rice is the solution is completely unsupported by science and release of it puts in danger, a big portion of the world. Who's staple food is rice. And, um, this is one of the approvals that we're going to be talking about 40 days. Also going to talk about the corrupt approval of eggplant called brinjal in, in Bangladesh, and that it produces the BT toxin and that's been approved in a completely haphazard and dangerous way. So [inaudible] coming back to you. Um, what were the, some of the things that were not evaluated properly at the times of the approval in the Philippines,
Speaker 2: (03:47)
Uh, as you rightly mentioned, uh, Jeffrey, because, uh, this golden rice and the movement against golden rice is going on for, I suppose, for last two, three centuries for two, three decades. And I remember in 2000 when, uh, around 2000, uh, this golden rice was developed. And after that, uh, uh, the, there was constant, uh, opposition by the people from at least four countries, India, uh, Indonesia, Philippines, and Bangladesh in Bangladesh, when this was approved recently, the Bangladeshi in Philippines, when this was approved recently, the Philippines, uh, peoples group spatially that are, uh, you know, uh, farmers that are, uh, experts that are, uh, organizations who are opposing Bolden rice, for example, massive bag is on the forefront of opposition or opposing Bolden rights. And there is a network of, uh, civil society groups, which is called a S G R N stop golden rice network.
Speaker 2: (04:57)
And this, this, uh, peoples, uh, you know, uh, coalition have opposed the recent approval to gold. Nice. And they have said that when it was approved, the government of, uh, Philippians has not followed some of the important, uh, parameters, which they should have been following while clearing this kind of a, you know, genetically engineered rice for public consumption. And the, for example, they said that the public, the public at large, even the farmers were not consulted when this approval came in, then the, the end, they also not, uh, uh, follow the strict parameters for health concerns. You know, how the golden rice is going to impact the health of the people was not, uh, you know, properly, uh, tested. In fact, the focus was on, I do not make concerns at roaming, how it performs, but how it impacts the people help, how it impact the biodiversity and minded.
Speaker 2: (06:13)
It is rice and rice is an established prop, not only in part in Philippines alone, but it depends on the whole of Asia. And Asia is also the, I would say, you know, the was the hub of rice. There are hundreds and thousands of varieties of rice, not only in Pakistan, in Philippines alone, but in Bangladesh in India. And in Indonesia, I mean, we have, uh, you know, there are several documents available that shows that in India alone, we have around, you know, in 1947, when India got independent at that time, there are more than a hundred thousand varieties of rights, but there are no research. We shows how the golden rice, especially when the golden rice is being propagated in the farmers field, how it's going to impact the other varieties, how it will contaminate. So this is something very, very serious issue, and these issues were not considered, I suppose. Thank
Speaker 1: (07:17)
Speaker 3: (07:20)
I want to add to that, you know, the reason both of Sarah and I thought of writing this, actually, it was kind of rejoinder to an article written in one of the national dailies in Bangladesh, which was dearly showing that golden dice is approved in Philippines. Now Bangladesh must follow. And in the article, it was concern was expressed, uh, that, um, Bangladesh rice research Institute scientist, who was connected to the golden rice research, but very upset with the ministry of environment for not for taking so long, like the application for the approval of golden dicing Bangladesh was made in 2017. And now it is 2021. And in the meantime, Philippine got it and is still not having, but in the article, one sentence said that there is no opposition in Bangladesh. And that made us angry that we have been opposing it from the very beginning, since 2002, when they were talking about it in conferences and trying to introduce a Syngenta sponsored meeting and, um, you know, get the scientists and the bite.
Speaker 3: (08:42)
The interesting point was, you know, when I was going to, uh, the chronology of what happened in Bangladesh, actually we don't have a bicycle by safety act still. We don't have, but the process was going on from 2005 and they were involved in that, in those meetings, we were invited. And whenever we there's the question of potential risks that we came to know from the shed, um, internationally, um, and whenever is that they actually checked to stop us, did not want to take it, but one of the meetings that I was dead, it was attended by importance of flights. And they were trying to input 12 kilos of, uh, golden rice and to cultivate in Bangladesh, we opposed it. So we had many, many demonstrations. We wrote a lot in the newspapers. I would concern was that we have alternatives to the so-called golden dice.
Speaker 3: (09:53)
You know, we don't need, he had so many different vegetables, even uncultivated Y greens. You know, that Bangladesh, particularly we have duplex that is known and even the village people know that it has, it is good for the eyes. So a Bangladeshi people are quite knowledgeable on that. And also because we have been working this night, I appreciate farmers, you know, despite every city best farmers and they have collected almost like 3000 grantees of rice, uh, because those were getting lost and they have identified eight D 8, 0 80, but I did this with some of them are automated and some are deep water rise. And so, you know, but so many of them are getting lost because there is no support for that. I
Speaker 1: (10:57)
Want to, I want to repeat what you said, because it is so stunning that there are 88, 0 80 varieties of rice that were not genetically engineered, that are identified by Bangladesh farmers that are high, that have vitamin a in significant quantities. And yet the biotech industry is rallying behind golden rice. Where as professor David Shuber, formerly of Salk Institute wrote in a peer reviewed published article, how the process of creating beta carotene in the genetically engineered golden rice, Ms. Changes the retinol act acid pathway, which is linked to birth defects. And that's one example, one of things that can result from the collateral damage from the process of genetic engineering, not to mention the massive changes in gene expression that can occur that has not yet even been evaluated by the makers of golden rice. And they're willing to risk the population of the Philippines and Bangladesh and others risk it with a technology, which is prone to side effects. And knowing that there are 80 other natural varieties that can provide vitamin a, without the risks of genetic engineering. And they know that with beta carotene, the form that, that their golden rice is in, you need fat to digest it. And the P and so you pick it up from there. Yeah.
Speaker 3: (12:43)
No. Okay. Now I also want to add that when Syngenta came to Bangladesh to, to work on the golden rice, they picked up one highlighting that it Bangladesh has to certain studio develop today. It is B at 29. So this is very much grown all over Bangladesh, India. I bought a season, this is the winter crop, which was not there before, but it is now growing everywhere because it is promoted by now this particular analysis taken by Syngenta to make golden rice. So you can imagine that what really happens. And also I can tell you, you know, Bangladeshi, people are not so easy to be fooled. You not, they will not like some guys, they like the [inaudible] it has, but if suddenly it becomes gold looking on, they will like it. So, so there has been nurse, eh, actually public support, but of course there is not consultants, but whenever we talk to our farmers, we showed all the pictures to them, you know, and in, in meetings, you know, in a big screen, and they said that this is not a nice beer or something, you know, so, but this has to be taken because this should be considered, you know, the credit that the farmers would like it a lot, because they will have to.
Speaker 3: (14:21)
Yeah, absolutely. I
Speaker 1: (14:23)
Mean, I'm sorry, you talked about the consumers rejecting. It were to, you talked about the farmers rejecting it. There's also the question. They just recently found that the beta carotene, which was the precursor to vitamin a, it basically, um, dis dismantles itself over time as the rice is stored. So by the time it gets to the people, not only is there so little beta carotene, we don't know, but if they don't have fat in the diet the same time, it's not going to be absorbed. And there's no, as you pointed out in the article, there's no research to indicate that it'll even solve the problem. Yeah. So, um, what I want to point out, I want to share a story here and then come back to you both, because this is my concern about rice in particular. And I think your point Farida is that it was very well taken. That it's a type of rice that is very popular. So if it gets out there, it could, cross-pollinate very easily, and it could contaminate a large amount of the rice that's being eaten every day by millions of people. And how many, how many meals a day of rice do people have in Bangladesh and in India,
Speaker 3: (15:41)
Just two minutes, but for the poor people, just two minutes, but, but, um, Bangladeshi people cannot survive without tries. And, um, you know, well, are, you know, those who can manage, they will, they have their clusters dies. They, they have lent as nice, their dinner size, please.
Speaker 1: (16:05)
And I'm sorry, in India.
Speaker 2: (16:08)
I mean, uh, normally depends, uh, where you are in India in not normally where people eat, uh, you know, wheat bread in the morning in the breakfast and, but rice in the, in, in lunch and rice and dinner. So at least two times, two times they do consume rice.
Speaker 1: (16:27)
So I was talking, I was in Europe and I met a former Monsanto scientist. And he explained to me that he knew that there was a study on rats from corn. It was genetically engineered and it damaged the rats. And then instead of withdrawing the corn, Monsanto rewrote the study to hide the effects, we know that this is what they do. They're famous for rigging their research and avoiding, admitting the dangers of their products. So this Monsanto scientist was very concerned because he said that a cord is a staple in South Africa and in Southern Africa. And typically the highest amount of genetically engineered corn that Monsanto feeds to rats is 33% of the diet. And he said to me, the people in South Africa eat a much bigger percentage of their diet has from the corn. The rats were damaged in 90 days, and which is the equivalent of a young adolescent.
Speaker 1: (17:32)
And yet the people in South Africa will be eating it their whole lives. And he figured if the rats were damaged with that small percentage in just 90 days, what's going to happen to his people. He, that he was concerned about in Africa. So I spoke a farmer and he had been, I was a south African farmer originally talked to his veterinarian who said that this farmer's pigs and cows were seriously injured. They weren't doing well. They were losing money. They had whole sorts of symptoms, serious symptoms. And the, um, veterinarian recommended that he stopped feeding them genetically engineered corn. So the farmer had switched to non GMO. Corn started feeding the animals that non GMO corn, they got better ran out of that. Corn had to take corn from the, from the marketplace, they got sick again. And then he had enough non GMO corn planted to cover the full year.
Speaker 1: (18:29)
But in parallel with that, the workers on his farm were eating that corn as a staple three times a day. And when he was growing genetically engineered corn, they were eating 100% of their corn as genetically engineered, not a mixture like is normally done in the marketplace and they were eating it three times a day. Now he said that his workers were so sick. They had inflammatory problems, headaches. He said that so many had to be, you know, laying in bed that he had to hire 20% more just to keep the, you know, he needed 50, he had to hire 60, but he said that he would talk to his farm workers and about two or three once or twice a month, he would see that their eyes would move independently and no longer track together. And he knew from experience that they would be dead within one or two days.
Speaker 1: (19:30)
And he didn't know why he was spending a lot of money on medicines. When he planted non GMO corn for his animals, the workers started eating it and they all got better. When he ran out, they bought corn from the marketplace and the workers and the animals suffered. Now there's an expression about being the Canary in the coal mine. The Canary is brought in with the, the miner. If the Canary dies, then you have to get out of the coal mine because there's too much gas. And the canaries are, are too sensitive. These people in South Africa were eating more genetically engineered food than anywhere else in the world. And we think that the damage to their health was a result of that. We think that they were experiencing as the canaries in the coal mine, the early stages of what others are receiving in a kind of a slow poisoning.
Speaker 1: (20:41)
Now, if someone creates golden rice and then they eat three times a day or twice a day, then whatever toxin or retinol like acid change or anything that occurs in the rice that hasn't been identified even, or tested for, there could be a catastrophe, but no one is linking it. No one would link it to the genetic engineering because there's no surveillance. There's no test testing. It's like the genetically engineered eggplant, Florida. Can you talk about that? Eggplant and the lack of scientific evaluation that's going on with an eggplant that could be causing enormous damage.
Speaker 3: (21:29)
Do I have two hours with that, but so many farmers, your festival in the beginning, you mentioned corrupt approval. That's very important. You know, it was the same story like the Philippines, you know, [inaudible], [inaudible] plant, it was a tea country study. So India, Philippines, and validation in India when it was like monetarian was declared in 2010, 2010 till 2020. So, uh, it was stopped in India. So they were not successful in India. In fact, I think they were more interested in India because India is one of the big producers, a bit to bring as well as eaters. Most, there are many vegetarian Sydney, India, and in Philippines, then it was in Philippines. They could not get the approval because of that Supreme court decision on the argument of the constitutional provision. And then, so in 2013, suddenly in Bangladeshi first politically very bad situation in 2014, there was going to be election.
Speaker 3: (22:52)
So the opposition and the government are fighting with each other. At that time in mid, mid 2013, suddenly we saw a newspaper article reported that Bangladesh is going to be the first country to, uh, approve VTB. So then we started the acting and we even went to the code, but of course the court was not free to decide. And they, um, yeah, they rejected our petition, but anyway, it was recorded and it was too much in the media. So that week was good for us. And then, um, by October, we were hearing that there were several meetings in the ministry of agriculture and national, uh, biotechnology committee, October was the last day of the parliament. So they ministered. If they have to decide what they want, they have to do, they have to do within October 30th, otherwise they will no more be ministers. So what they did by October, maybe mid-October they had meetings.
Speaker 3: (24:04)
And in fact, they only read the executive summary of the approval documents and then just said, okay, October 13th, uh, 30th, they declared. And we know that in the ministry of environment, all the people who it, me, you know, uh, connected to, if we're not happy with the pluses, but they could not say anything. You know, in January 5th, there was an election and it was a corrupt election. Opposition did not participate. So it was one party election. The government came back again and same minister became Matea too. She became the minister again, by 20th of January, they started giving up the siblings. So you can see this whole process that it cannot be a genuine process. And they just gave up to 20 farmers. And then by March, this farmers only did the season was late because they could not do it before. Um, by March, these farmers were very upset because nothing was growing from the siblings when they were dying. Only two farmers continued because they got it, which support and the rest of the farmers in one press conference organized by the promoters, um, government, um, all the farmers were very angry and they were quite embarrassed to have this. And it's amazing.
Speaker 1: (25:41)
I have, I have seen rigged press conferences around the world. I have seen farmers give misinformation on purpose and being paid for it. I know that in South Africa, there was a farmer that had been paraded in front of all these press, as the successful grower of genetically engineered cotton he event in Makhathini flats. He eventually, he eventually admitted it was all a fraud. You know, in India, they had pictures of a person standing next to a tractor praising the genetically engineered cotton. It turns out and implying that he had gotten the tractor, because if there was another person who was claimed to be a farmer, when they tracked him down, the other person, wasn't a farmer. He was a cigarette salesman. And the person with a tractor said, oh, no, that cotton did so bad. I couldn't, I couldn't buy anything with it. I rejected it. So they, they, they actually paid farmers in India to be the spokespeople about it, to promote it. So what you're describing, go ahead.
Speaker 3: (26:40)
No, they did. She had also, you're not the only two farmers who spoke in favor of them, but they did not expect that all the others showed their anger so much you not. So it was a surprise to demonstrate. So what we went following after that, you know, we were following up the farmers and next job in September, they again give out the seeds. So we were following all the farmers that he could find. And, um, nobody was happy, except few farmers who were continuously being monitored by the department of agriculture extension. And they come and they shake and they were not allowed to talk to the journalists or any outsider. And you will enjoy when the farmers say, well, he said, do you know this is a GMO because we have so many different dangers than farmers are familiar with so many binges. So we said that this is a new, it's a genetically modified.
Speaker 3: (27:44)
They said, no, we know it is a big government engine. So they know the government gave it their slaves. We have to take it. So that's not giving the information to the farmers, that it is a genetically modified. And also to tell them that you will have to have some other studies, which they explained to us as a non-GMO SIS to have on the borders. And, and they explained to the farmers that if you do that, there will be no pest on the actual Brindle, the Ford ranger that, um, they were given to cultivate. So farmers starting to saying that, okay, if this didn't just sell good that they will protect the crops, then why not? We take those, not because it needs to be protected by other bin, just so we should take those as, so this is what not has been explained to them now to make this story short, we have seen fruits rotting on the plants.
Speaker 3: (29:03)
The plants are not drained for months, you know, and also the other crops that they're cultivating in-between other clubs. There are no by safety protocols maintained. There were seven conditions given by ministry of environment to follow and nothing was followed. And particularly when they were taking to the market, they said, it has to be level. The farmers said, how can we label it? And then, but it is good level. You know, when they take to the market, the normal dangers can stay for longer. You know, doesn't, uh, you know, the texture of this thing is still too tense, but we did being jealous. You know, it's just a good something. How do I explain that?
Speaker 3: (29:55)
Yeah. So, so that is what they cannot sell enough to the it's not popular in that in the market, even if they mix with other dangers, you know, so that is, uh, what it is not yet in the market level. And then now they're claiming that the thousands of farmers, uh, decade, at least 27,000 farmers are taking it. Decently last June, I have taken information from department of agriculture extensions, and they said that we could hardly get to [inaudible] to, for only 5,000 farmers we gave it, but we don't know that if they have grown it in, so this is what is going on. So it is entirely, I want to use this word, the complete failure, and the entire story is nice, but [inaudible], I'm there, you know, advocate,
Speaker 1: (31:02)
You know, it's interesting. Um, we don't have BT eggplant in the United States, but we have BT corn. We have BT cotton in south America. There's VT soybeans. So although there has not been any safety research on eating VT, eggplant, the research on BT in general is not very, um, it doesn't give a lot of confidence. BT stands for bacillus thuringiensis, which is soil bacteria. That if you spray it on a plant, just from the bacteria in the spores, you'll kill certain insects, caterpillars, it'll poke holes in the guts of the insects to kill them. Now they use the BT spray in agriculture, in the United States when it was sprayed in the Pacific Northwest, uh, by plane for gypsy moth infestation, about 500 people reported, uh, allergic and flu like symptoms. Some had to go to the hospital, farm workers who were tested with antibody tests, show that they were reacting to BT when they fed it to, uh, mice, they showed, uh, immune responses that were very serious.
Speaker 1: (32:17)
When the BT was fed to mice, that showed damage to the intestines. They failed that, uh, under high concentrations, the BT from corn in a, in a laboratory could poke holes in human cells, the same type of holes that are used to kill insects in a study in Canada, they found that 93% of the pregnant women tested had BT toxin in their blood. How did it get in the blood, maybe through the holes that it poked creating a kind of leaky gut in the, in the intestines, it was also an 80% of their unborn fetuses. So now you have in this generation, unborn fetus is with a toxin that pokes holes in human cells and provokes an allergic response and not only provokes an allergic response to itself, but in studies with mice made the mice more sensitive to formerly harmless foods. So then it can promote a wide spectrum in India.
Speaker 1: (33:16)
The BT producing cotton was associated with itching symptoms and flu like symptoms. It was reported on I compared it in my second book, and it was the same type of symptoms that were found in the 500 people in the Pacific Northwest, in the United States who were sprayed with the natural variety. When I went to India and investigated, I went to one, uh, one village where the 13 water buffaloes in 26, goats and sheep died after grazing on the BT cotton plants after harvest. These were just a small percentage of the thousands that were associated. And just like the eggplant, the cotton in India did not perform as it was planned. It could have root rod and leaf curl and mealy bugs, and it could have shorter staples and lower costs. And didn't failure to germinate and smaller bowls and difficult and more expensive labor practices.
Speaker 1: (34:12)
And it fetched less from the marketplace. And yet people were convinced by the corrupt practices of Monsanto that it was going to make them rich. And so they borrowed money to invest in the seeds and the chemicals. And when they couldn't even pay back the loans to recover their expenses and their fear of losing their land, there's an estimated 250,000 of them committed suicide. This is the notes from, uh, from not only from Vonda Shiva, but actually confirmed by leaked documents from the government. And in India, you talked about the approval process that was corrupted and the Supreme court and all that in the Philippines. I remember interviewing Dr. PM Bhargava from India for hours, who was put by the Supreme court in India onto the approval process and described it as a complete facade where, and he said, not a single GM crop anywhere in the world has been properly evaluated and said that there should be an immediate abolishment of the GM crop approvals in India and a complete upgrade of that approval process. So what you're describing that happened in Bangladesh regarding the brinjal and what happened in the Philippines regarding the, the golden rice is a repeat, but you also have seen how they pitch one country against another. They claim approvals in the, in the one countries, which are not true. They say to other countries you're going to fall behind. If you don't do it, your whole industry is going to fall behind. And none of that is true.
Speaker 2: (35:46)
Jeffrey. I would like to point out one more important thing regarding the BT cotton in India. And you know, when, when the BT cotton was commercial reason, India in to Paul in, in 2002, March, 2002, within 10 years, within 10 years, within a decade, we have seen how the BT cotton has completely vibed out all the indigenous varieties of cotton in India and India being the endemic country for cotton. We had around 4,700 varieties of cotton, which includes Pyrenean cotton, which includes colored cotton, which is American varieties and India varieties of portals. And today the government and the industry talk about the diversity of GM cotton. They forget about the diverse studio of indigenous cotton in India. This is what is the current situation. And if this happens with rice, you know, what will happen, it will completely make people dependent on industry rights. They will being in a self pollinating and Riley being a crop, which normally people save and plant next year, they will lose all the varieties and they will completely be dependent on the, on the, on, on these kinds of rights, you know, uh, supplied way agribusiness. Yes,
Speaker 1: (37:15)
I agree. Sorry. Do you want to pick that up?
Speaker 3: (37:17)
And yeah. Um, one thing, uh, what the deficit that losing the diversity, um, you know, one, um, cultural point to this is a cultural thing, and I think we have to mention it, you know, whenever they change, you know, they did not invent BT, uh, you know, they have actually taken one of our nine of our local dangers and just inserted into a region then named it [inaudible] for them. So, and so, so, um, so what, eh, but [inaudible] one for example was originally called Kadcyla. [inaudible] this very nice name given by farmers over the years they have been growing. So whenever the original name changes to a number, just like prisoner, prisoners have number, you know, human being lose their names in the prison. So I think what you're doing to our, you know, crops that have been grown by primers for a year and they have loved it, they have named it. And now it has, it is a number which have been there for two one, but they just got loud, Tara, Tara, these lovely names, it is a business. So it's a business.
Speaker 2: (38:53)
And I just to add to, for either the, I mean, these were not the names, these were the varieties where, for example, uh, we, we don't really consume rice cooked rice. There are several other things which are made out of rice. For example, we have puffed rights, we have beaten rights and there are different other users for it. There are religious importance, there are cultural importance. And when you give a name, people forget those cultural linkages with the rice.
Speaker 3: (39:21)
Yes. Number does not give, give this culture Lincoln. So I think losing the name is also a concern and we would, we would have to,
Speaker 2: (39:31)
The one thing I would like to also say to Jaffe that, you know, when we, this business rights was released commercially, it doesn't indicate how much a person, a child has to consume, how much quantity of rice that child has to consume to, you know, uh, which give them enough supplement to, you know, for the vitamin a. So, I mean, these, I mean, there are a few reports which clearly says that, uh, you know, the, the, uh, beta carotene content of unmeasured golden rice is insufficient and it has, there are several other alternatives available, which has got much more content of with timing, a for example, fresh carrot greens or spinach. I mean, uh, you know, there are several other things which we can name here, which has got much more, uh, content of, uh, retirement compared to, you know, uh, betacarotene compared to, you know, uh, golden rice, for example, in sweet potato, we have 173 microgram per gram of beta carotene in carrots. We have 125 microgram per gram of betacarotene similarly in tomato, in the spinach, in moringa, compared to that golden rice has only 3.5, seven microgram per gram of betacarotene. So, I mean, uh, very interestingly, they have not tried to, you know, answer discussion of how much a person needs to consume so that it gives them a better kind of deal.
Speaker 3: (41:12)
So just one point, you know, like I've said, was saying, you know, but you also, when we eat like spinach and the vegetable snack, like tablet or the medicine that we only take it as [inaudible], so this table send that we eat, it's a complete Nutricia packet. So it has other vitamins as well. It has other nutritional values, medicine, vitamins. So all together, it is a meal, then we can remain healthy, but we don't take only, this is the net as determinate. This has been, it also has other determinants. I don't know other things. So that is important to us. And as a whole, this holistic package is much more important than just saying that this is going to give you beta carotene. And so you have to fabrics and he's very like that. They don't mention the amount. And so we cannot, we cannot do it. So it's not feasible at all
Speaker 1: (42:23)
That you describe the narrow thinking of the scientists perfectly. It's the narrow thinking that is willing to risk poisoning people with genetically engineered crops, because they only look at the narrow, does it contain what we're thinking? It contains and ignore all sorts of potential unpredicted side effects. They think in terms of nutrition, in a very reductionist viewpoint, they don't consider the full diet. And those that do consider the full diet realize that they have actually overcome vitamin D deficiency in many different programs. I have read about and heard about and talked about the ones in Bangladesh, where they're teaching people to grow diverse gardens for the whole household. They provide more than enough vitamin a, but others as well. If you want to be reductionist about it and take a pill, then you can take a high dose, vitamin a pill for about 5 cents a year to different in every six months.
Speaker 1: (43:31)
But, you know, and that will do fraction of the cost of the development of golden rice. And that may be a stop gap, but then your organizations may come through and say, you know, there's a smarter way to do it. That'll give you a full diversity of nutrition and give you a self-sufficiency in terms of, of diet and improve the land and give you some opportunities so that your children can play with the dirt and get the microbiome into their bodies. That's so healthy. So there's a holistic thinking that is often what the indigenous and traditional traditions were all about any way before big agribusiness came in with its narrow profit driven and reductionist, reductionist science, so-called science. So we're about at the end of our time, I would like to give you both an opportunity to share whatever you want and include the name of your organization. We have the name of your organization in the description, so people can search for it and find it. You're welcome to give any other resources and anything you want to say.
Speaker 2: (44:49)
So, yeah, I would. Okay. Just to, I mean, give my concluding comments. One thing, which also I would like to highlight here is that when, uh, the commercial Koreans was given in Philippines, it is interesting that in the, you know, uh, they have also highlighted certain risks and put certain conditions, which says that the director of, you know, the, uh, the department bureau of plant industry, they should be informed immediately upon discovery, not exceeding 24 hours of any event. If the regulated article, which has golden rights could pose greater risks to badass human and animal health, which excels include that these aspects were not totally, you know, uh, tested. So, uh, so far as the grain is concerned, we have enough material on our website called www.brain.org, which, which has, you know, if you want to know more about golden rice, if you want to know more about what are the problems with the genetic engineering, uh, crops. And, and, and we have also, uh, two other, uh, you know, uh, sister websites called bilaterals.org and land grab.org. We are, we've confined a lot of the materials on FTAs and how the free trade agreements and trade agreements are linked with the, you know, these genetically engineered, uh, uh, you know, uh, uh, crops, which are being pushed on the developing countries and how the trade agreements are being used to push the genetically engineered crops on the developing countries. So if you want to know more about that, you can visit www dot [inaudible] dot org.
Speaker 3: (46:43)
Okay. Um, you know, like as happening to [inaudible] and also Berliners, and I'll say a lot more coming up, I think they're destroying our biodiversity anyway. And so they now want to have patented, uh, you know, beans, rice taking our basic resources. And we live in India, Bangladesh. We are in the center of origin of this bird, every cities. So here they are coming and taking our resources to have a monopoly market globally. So this is their interest. Basically, we know they don't get about the blindness of our children. Believe me, I don't believe that, that they don't care about, you know, so, and also I think we should name bill and Melinda gates foundation behind it because they are really promoting it to find words, to tell, and also to Cornell in varsity crop science, they're really propagating false information. And it is really a concern for us because they're doing it in the name of science, because this look like a scientific paper, but they are full of lies and misinformation. So I would say that [inaudible] of the research organization for policy research development alternative, and he also [inaudible] farmers almost 300,000 working with [inaudible] and he can also visit our website and Facebook www [inaudible] dot org. And so you will get Dr. Materials there. And of course you can contact us anytime. Thank you.
Speaker 1: (48:39)
So I want to say it, I love giving a window to your world for those that are on our Facebook page and in our podcasts. And we'll read our, our, um, emails. Um, the, a lot of times I focus a lot on the health dangers and I didn't even get started on the potential dangers from GE, from the BT brinjal and from the golden rice, I just gave a little snippet, but, you know, uh, Farida, you work with two, 300,000 farmers, and I'm sorry, you have this whole, you also work with farmers in the community, and you're aware of the much bigger impact than just health. Health is substantial. We can link GMO foods and the Roundup sprayed on them to a lot of diseases. And that maybe, maybe it's resulting in millions upon millions of diseases and death. And we have a strong argument to make that.
Speaker 1: (49:38)
So when I say worse than just health, I consider health to be extraordinarily bad, but you're talking about the, the life of the farmers, uh, life of the community and the long-term consequences for the environment. If you take 4,700 varieties of indigenous cotton and you, or, and you knock it out to just a handful, when you take hundreds of thousands of varieties of rice and you knock it out, when you collapse the biodiversity of, of eggplant, you cannot restore them. And we have not yet evaluated and even learn how to evaluate all of the incredible benefits of nature's pharmacy in this diversity of food in a time of global climate chaos, having that diversity is our security. And yet we know from the Terminator technology, I won't go into the story. The biotech industry was, was willing to sacrifice global security by eliminating the age old tradition of farmers, saving seed and turning seed, genetically engineered seeds into sterile offspring, forcing farmers to come back to the catalogs for a minor of just a narrow diversity, which could end up in grave famine or pestilence, et cetera.
Speaker 1: (51:10)
So this genetically engineered introduction of these crops through your lens gives a much bigger picture. And I deeply appreciate you spending the time. I think, you know, if I were traveling and we were sitting down together, as I've done in 45 countries, we would spend two days and I would learn every little detail I could from you and write it all down and report it. And in faith in Facebook lives and articles and books, but what you've chosen to share is absolutely precious. I'm going to ask you to stay on for a moment as I sign off from the Facebook live. Thank you all for joining us, please visit their websites, follow up, consider making a donation to their organizations. And thank you for joining us. Thank you for listening to live healthy. Be well. Please subscribe to the podcast, using whatever app you're listening to podcasts with, or go to live healthy, be well.com to subscribe. This podcast will inform you about health, dangerous corporate and government corruption and ways we can protect ourselves, our families and our planet. I interview scientists, experts, authors, whistleblowers, and many people who have not shared their information with the world until now, please share the podcast with your friends. He was enlightened and may even save lives. SAPD.