Jeffrey interviewed by Kash Khan about all things GMO and Roundup - Episode 44

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In this episode Jeffrey is interviewed by Kash Khan on his podcast, "Educate Inspire Change".  This is a lively interview with two very prominent activists who discuss Jeffrey's origins as a non-GMO/Organic  promoter as well as a whole host of other issues regarding GMOs, the biotech industry, Roundup and the critical time we are living in.

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Speaker 1: (00:01)
hello? This is Jeffery.

Speaker 2: (00:08)
Oh, hi Jeffrey. How are you? So, um, just to let the people that educate inspire change, know who you are. Um, you're an American consumer activist and self published author.

Speaker 1: (00:19)
Well, actually, actually what you're doing is you're reading Monsanto's bio of me. Okay. Let's see. I am. I am one of, let me just say it this way. You gave a perfect introduction. I'm one of the people in the world that my Santo has hated the most well that's. So they have spent a fortune doing private investigation work to try and find something they've taken over a Wikipedia page and linked to all the wrong things. They have spent a fortune for pseudo scientists to create websites, to try and lie about what I've done. But we have nonetheless been massively successful in convincing 51% of Americans that GMOs are unsafe. So the food companies are freaking out getting rid of GMOs. And that's why I'm not on Monsanto's Christmas.

Speaker 2: (01:11)
I can imagine. I can imagine, but you've definitely, obviously hit a nerve with them. You must be doing something right. Tell me about how did you get into all this? Like what, what triggered you into getting into GMOs? What's your background and what led you to become the activists that you are?

Speaker 1: (01:25)
Well, a quarter of a century ago, I went to a lecture by a scientist who was an award winning genetic engineer, working on cancer. And he blew the whistle on GMOs saying we're about to see genetically engineered foods. And as a genetic engineer, I can tell you without a doubt that there are unpredicted side effects that could damage the health of all humanity, who eat it. And more worryingly is that when you put a GMO into the environment, it will cross breed with non GMOs, with wild relatives and become a permanent part of the gene pool irreversibly. And so you're effecting living beings for all future generations. You're affecting everyone who eats and now with cheap gene editing, they want to genetically engineer virtually everything with DNA and could ultimately replace nature in this generation so that all future generations do not inherit the products of the billions of years of evolution, but inherit products of laboratory creations with one key, most common result, surprised science,

Speaker 2: (02:38)
Fascinating. So like, um, what's the biggest kind of resistance that you've come up against because obviously an educated spare change. We've been talking about Monsanto Roundup and GMOs for quite some time. And you will often get people who are commenting and replying, but this is the answer to solving world starvation or poverty and African countries. So what's your response to people who say that? Well,

Speaker 1: (03:00)
They spent $250 million that the biotech industry in late nineties and the early two thousands to convince Americans to accept these highly risky unnecessary foods for the sake of the developing world at the same time, the leaders of the developing world and their representatives said, don't use us as your poster children. We're rejecting it as well. It turns out that the average genetically engineered crop does not increase yield, even if it did increasing yield alone does not solve world hunger. We have more food per person than any time in human history and a billion people go to bed hungry or malnourished every night. Uh, there are agro ecology versions of agriculture that can double yields in developing countries, but GMOs are stealing the money and attention away from those real and responsible solutions. So it actually works against hunger. Now what the issue that I have been focusing on since I started is the health dangers from my first book seeds of deception to my second, uh, genetic roulette, my films, genetic roulette, secret ingredients, and other things we we've been focusing on how the process of genetic engineering create side effects.

Speaker 1: (04:16)
And not just in theory now for years, I have to admit this gosh that I, I didn't believe people when they said to me that they could notice a difference in their health when they were eating GMOs versus not even though I was representing scientists around the world side, trope speak spoken in 45 countries, but at the time it was maybe 25 countries. And I was like, I was skeptical because I thought it would be just some kind of background trend on increasing diseases that take a long time to notice. When I started to educating the medical profession, they started prescribing non-GMO diets by the thousands. And then when I brought a video camera wants to a medical conference after I had spoken there for previous three years, they started telling me the dramatic and remarkable results in their patients when they switched them to non GMO and organic food.

Speaker 1: (05:12)
And they told me how quickly the changes were. So I started asking people in audiences and over a number of years at 150 lectures, I asked, well, what, what have you noticed when you switch to non-GMO and organic food? People would say what they noticed. I'd say how many ELLs, how many others noticed the same thing? And I got a sense, including a two dozen medical conferences where they were speaking out about their own experience, but about thousands and thousands of their patients, same results. So we surveyed 3000, 256 people, and they reported getting better from the same 28 different conditions. Those conditions and similar ones are on the rise in the U S population in parallel with the increased use of GMOs, the laboratory animals that they feed GMOs and Roundup too. Cause Roundup is sprayed on most GMOs. They suffer from these diseases or their precursors and even the pets and the livestock that are taken off of these GMOs or Roundup latent foods, they get better from these type of diseases.

Speaker 1: (06:13)
And if you look at the nature of a GMO, the nature of the Roundup spray, that's sprayed on most of them, you could actually see how it is that these foods create or promote autism and allergies and digestive problems and brain fog and anxiety and depression and Alzheimer's and pain, and so many different things, diabetes you can actually see, you can predict based on the, even the animal feeding studies, the precursors, what would happen if you were eating it all your life, you would expect these type of diseases to be on the rise. And that's what we're seeing.

Speaker 2: (06:51)
Yeah. So, um, clearly you've been fighting this battle for quite some time. I think for 25 years, you mentioned earlier on that you've been fighting against GMOs. And I imagine you're not alone because there's a, there's a massive uprising against GMOs against Roundup, or there's even some major well-publicized court cases. I think in America with people who suffered cancer or disease directly related to a Roundup and they've won the settlements. Although I'm not sure if they're being paid out yet or if they ever will be that's another case altogether. So like w w what, what, why is, um, is it, is it just corporate greed? Is it because the people with all the big money are the people that are promoting GMOs? Is that why we've not seen a significant, um, a change in the laws or anything that to support GMOs and to try to associate, to go against GMOs and try to support more organic food?

Speaker 1: (07:38)
Well, the biotech industry has been very effective at controlling the narrative. They target four different groups in society, very effectively, government, media, academia, and farmers. If you look at the laws that allow GMOs to be introduced, uh, the, the, they had convinced the first Bush administration that GMOs would increase us exports and us domination of the world trade in food. The opposite happened, but they were convinced that it would be good for economics. And so they mandated to the U S regulatory agencies, the FDA, the EPA, and the USDA to come up with a regulatory framework that would make it very easy for the biotech industry to introduce GMOs without much bother. And so the FDA took their job very seriously and created a new position. The deputy policy, deputy commissioner of policy, they made it specifically for Monsanto's former attorney. Monsanto's the biggest GMO company.

Speaker 1: (08:43)
So this person, Michael Taylor was in charge of crafting the laws on GMOs for the FDA and the law, which is still exists today. It says that there's no necessary, no labeling necessary. And companies like Monsanto can determine on their own if their GMOs are safe and introduce it without even telling consumers or the FDA. And the justification for this hands-off law was found in the law itself set stating that the agency wasn't aware of any information, showing that GMOs were different from normal foods in any meaningful or uniform way. When a lawsuit forced the FDA to turn over its files and make them public, we realized that was entirely a fraud. It was fraudulent. The actual scientists at the FDA had the opposite opinion. They said GMOs were different and led to different dangers. They should be tested carefully human toxicological studies, careful animal feeding studies, none of that was required.

Speaker 1: (09:48)
And their predictions turns out to be true in the EPA. They allowed Roundup to come on the market also because of fraud. And a lot of that fraud came out in that those cancer trials. And I was attending them. I know the lawyers, I was part of the celebration dinner. When one of the, when the last trial, the two plaintiffs were awarded over $2 billion by a jury that was a surreal night. And I've interviewed the attorneys and spoken with them side by side, both on conference, on at conferences. And I appeared on national television and the doctors for an hour with Brent Wisner, who was the one that won the two out of the three successful lawsuits. And I have to say his efforts got millions of pages of documents made public. And that showed absolutely fraudulent practices laid bare by Monsanto. I interview him on our [email protected]

Speaker 1: (10:47)
There's two and a half hours of interviews, five or six parts going deeply into how they manipulated their data, how they rig their research, how they covered up and ghost wrote and captured the EPA, how their, they had a lapdog and the EPA that was basically working for them that declared that glyphosate did not cause cancer. We have all this evidence showing that they are really bad actors. And so when you ask, how did it get on the market? It was because of manipulation, collusion, and corruption, how it stays on the market is the same, the same kind of lies that are prompting people to think that GMOs could feed the world. When I've interviewed the world's experts on feeding the world, including the co-chair of the, the famous i-STAT report, sponsored by the United nations with over 400 scientists and signatories from 59 countries that said, GMOs have nothing to offer to feed the hungry world, eradicate poverty, or create sustainable agriculture. And yet the lies persist. So like for people listening,

Speaker 2: (11:54)
You've got 119 viewers watching, just know, and I'm reading some comments and people are saying things like one world, or there are no to GMO eat real food. So what do people do? What, how can we be activists in our day to day lives? Because obviously it'd be, I try to support, um, you know, like I try to support organic food and local farmers and everything. So you tell me like, what, what best advice can you give to people to stop supporting GMOs? Cause often we could be buying products that we think are organic, but it might not be. So can you shed some light on that for me? Cause I know I go to whole foods sometimes and even although it says organic, I still don't whether or not as you know, so how can we really tell how can we be sure that what we're buying is real and organic. That's a great question. Kosh,

Speaker 1: (12:34)
First of all, let's distinguish between non-GMO and organic. That's the first, because there's some confusion there and I'm going to clear up the confusion. So pay careful attention. If you have any doubts, genetically modified foods, there's only 11 crops. There's also salmon that was released in Flynn, Canada, and it's supposed to be released in the United States. There's also animal products, milk, meat, and eggs from animals that have been fed GMOs. So there's not a lot of GMOs in terms of numbers of crops, but the soy corn cotton seed oil, canola oil, sugar beets that make sugar alfalfa that's used for animal feed. Those are in a lot of products, either directly or through animal feed. There's also some zucchini and yellow squash, papaya, apples, and potatoes to avoid them. You want to buy products that say non-GMO and ideally non-GMO project verified. And you could also buy products that are organic because organic does not allow the intentional use of GMOs.

Speaker 1: (13:36)
Now, if you buy something that's non-GMO project verified, then that's the best version of a non-GMO claim because it's a third party verified claim with inspections and documentations and testing if necessary. But first of all, there still might be some contamination at low level. That's the way nature works. But more importantly, we're realizing that Roundup is a bad actor. Roundup is incredibly, incredibly dangerous. Um, it damages the foundations of our health and we know that it helps. It makes that difficult to absorb minerals, which is linked to a lot of diseases. It's an antibiotic killing the beneficial bacteria, which is linked to almost all the diseases. It creates leaky gut linked to inflammation in so many diseases. It damages the mitochondria. It can mess up our neurotransmitters, our hormones, it can lead to cancer and it can also lead to birth defects and that's sprayed on most GMOs, the six major ones, soy corn, cotton, canola, sugar beets, and alfalfa, all Roundup ready, the Roundup ready.

Speaker 1: (14:47)
GMO variety is predominant among those six. And that means that they're designed to be sprayed with Roundup, just the wallet's already growing. It kills all of the other weeds, all the other plants, but it sprays it while it's growing. So the Roundup can get absorbed into the crop and then lodged in the food portion which we eat. So we used to say eat non-GMO and if you can, it would be better to eat organic because then you get all the other benefits for organic. But then what happened is now we know that many farmers are spraying Roundup and other herbicides that also use glyphosate, which is the chief poison at Roundup on grains and beans just before harvest, also in vineyards. So you get high concentrations of Roundup residues on oats on wheat, lentils, chickpeas, mung beans, it's in orange juice, wine and beer. It's all over our food supply and it is extremely dangerous.

Speaker 1: (15:50)
So it's not good enough to eat. non-GMO it's appropriate to eat organic so that you avoid both the GMOs and the Roundup because neither of them are allowed in organic. If you have a non-GMO project verified loaf of bread, there's no GMOs in it. But wheat is often sprayed with Roundup just before harvest within three to five days. And that accelerates the, the, the ripening. It tries it down, it kills all the weeds. Um, and it's called a desiccant at that point, but it ends up inside the wheat. So you may have a non-GMO loaf of bread, but you may be getting poisoned. Now, if you buy something that's organic, it requires document review and inspection. There is some fraud in organic, probably more overseas than in the United States and probably more in some countries than others, but it still is primarily a trusted, a wasteless.

Speaker 1: (16:52)
It's the primary way to go. If you can know your farmer, if you can buy from a farmer's market, fabulous, but we do recommend organic. And if it has the organic seal than it has been through document review and inspection. Now, one of the best things you can do then as an activist to turn this around is to eat organic. And if you're not convinced that organic is going to be helpful to you, and I'd like to suggest that you take a look at a film that I created with my friend Amy Hart, and it's called secret ingredients and secret ingredients, And it, we interview and follow more than a dozen people, including whole families that switched to organic and in fertile couples became pregnant. And that, and there was a whole clinic that did that with, at this point over a hundred infertile couples that got prep that were, that got pregnant, zero failures, uh, autistic boys that are no longer on the spectrum.

Speaker 1: (17:51)
People who had cancer and skin conditions and anxiety and depression and allergies and pain, et cetera, all showed a dramatic turnaround. And in most cases in the film, complete alleviation of the problem. So if you're not yet convinced to eat organic and to spend the extra, please watch that film. Most people who watch it are immediately changing their diet within a day. So that's the first thing. The second thing is some people on your list want to do something else. So there's two categories that I can recommend. One is they can donate in case they can't do things, but they want to support for that. Please go to responsible We're a nonprofit 501 C3 and make a donation ideally recurring because we can use that money, especially if we know more as coming, we can hire on that basis. And what I'm about to tell you cosh he's worthy of donation.

Speaker 1: (18:47)
It's so worthy. It's pretty remarkable that most people listening do not yet know this. I mentioned in the beginning just briefly about gene editing, gene editing is so cheap and so easy that you can buy a do it yourself. Gene editing kit on Amazon for $169. Don't do it. The, the biotech industry, just like they lied about feeding the world. They claim that gene editing is safe. We now have dozens of instances where it turns out it could be extremely dangerous, even deadly. We know that it's so easy and so cheap to gene edit and that every biological lab virtually is using CRISPR CAS nine and other cheap gene editing. They're targeting virtually everything with DNA to make altered, to try and improve on nature from bacteria to butterflies, from allergy to animals, from fungus to flowers. And if they succeed and they introduce over this generation, a hundred thousand, a million new organisms, including especially the microbes, which can spread around the world, like, uh, like a COVID then we're talking about an existential threat.

Speaker 1: (20:07)
So great that eight out of the last eight lectures that I gave the audience rated the threat from GMOs to planetary survival has greater than that, of climate change, including audiences at climate change conferences. So if you go to protect nature, you will see a three minute video. And that three minute video is just the video explaining about protecting nature. And I'm going to ask you to please leave your email. Cause we have another short film that's almost done that is going to blow your mind about GMO microbes. And it talks about COVID and it talks about what might happen. There were two threats that this two stories from previous near misses, where we almost could have theoretically ended terrestrial plant life and changed weather patterns on the planet because of the nature of the genetically engineered bacteria that was almost released. It's completely logical, it's indefensible arguments, and it's coming out soon. And we'll also give you more information about how we can now build a global movement to stop this existential threat, which is the replacement of nature by a corrupted gene pool. So people in the past and what can I do it? Wasn't this now it's this, because this is the most dangerous thing that we're facing. And now we need to raise the money and build the movement to make sure this doesn't.

Speaker 2: (21:40)
Yeah. Incredible to hear all that. I mean, as I'm listening to you, like, um, especially the first part of what you were explaining about GMO is literally being everywhere in almost all our foods. It seems very, very difficult to avoid, especially for, I would imagine your average family and maybe who have a very high income, you know, it's cheaper for them to buy a burger for a dollar than it has to buy, you know, organic vegetables, you know? So like, um, as I'm talking to you, I'm just wondering, like what, what I've been studying a lot about living sustainably growing your own food, permaculture farms or this kind of idea I'm thinking this might be a good alternative as people who can grow their own food, you don't even necessarily need a big garden. You can just have a few parts and you can grow your own vegetables or your in your own Basel or meant or whatever it may be. Is there something else that obviously I'm guessing you do promote this, but is there something else that we should be telling everyone to do is don't grow your own food.

Speaker 1: (22:35)
Here's where I'm going to answer this in a careful way. Okay. Absolutely. If you can grow your own food, go for it, go for this stuff that is that you can actually accomplish, but don't think that growing your own food is the only way out of being an unwilling Guinea pig in this experiment, because that will lead to frustration, fear, anger, sadness, because if that's the only solution, a lot of people can't do that for a number of reasons. You know, I was traveling is when I gave a thousand lectures into and a thousand interviews in 45 countries, I traveled from six for six to nine months a year for 13 years, I couldn't grow. I couldn't grow anything on my own. I was on the plane and traveling around the world. So yes, growing your own is an outstanding strategy. Farmer's markets, community supported agriculture, where you support farmers and get boxes of food delivered each week.

Speaker 1: (23:33)
So I have farmer's markets. I have all organic, uh, market near me in terms of a supermarket and I have a CSA and I grow my own and I just choose and pick as to what I want and what makes sense. Um, but the key is not to feel deflated and not to feel like a victim, but to use your inner power, to shift, to feel like a Victor so that we become in charge of what we call food. And we're not, we don't have to eat the food shaped objects that have been pushed on us by Monsanto and their enforcement wing in Washington. So this is a time for us to stand up and be empowered and to be powerful. And so if you go to responsible and look around for awhile, you'll get some real information that you can share. Sign up for the newsletter, share that I have a podcast at live healthy, be If you have dogs or cats go to pets and I mean, everything links to everything else. You'll, you'll find our world pretty quickly, but it's all there. Yeah.

Speaker 2: (24:45)
Interesting. And I want to ask just a question from a personal point of view. I love down the road from a whole foods. Can we trust the whole foods brand?

Speaker 1: (24:53)
So whole foods is known by people to be a healthy supermarket. So they make the mistake thinking if they get something from whole foods it's healthy. Yeah. That's not true. If you go to their hot bar, typically there's almost nothing. That's organic. They have a premade soup. That's ginger carrot that sometimes organic on the hot bar. I've been to 50 whole foods. As I travel around. I know what to buy there, but most of the things I don't there, their salad bar is often organic, sometimes older, organic. But if you go through the aisles, there's a lot of things that aren't organic. If you look at their meats, a lot of them aren't organic. The actual whole foods brand. It'll tell you whether it's organic or not. Uh, there are three 65 brand is supposed to be non-GMO project verified. If it is, it'll have that little butterfly seal on it.

Speaker 1: (25:49)
But again, you want to eat organic. If you can. And not just non-GMO project verified. So yes, you can shop at whole foods. I'm a bigger distributor of organic food in the United States is Costco who knew I did. And you have to, you'll learn. You'll learn. In fact, we have a whole 90 day lifestyle upgrade will be take people who are really experts at living the organic lifestyle and they give all their tips. So within 90 days you get years worth of tips from how to cook and how to save time and how to save money. They can go there and live healthy to get enrolled into that course. But the key is start, start at the moment you're inspired to, and don't put it off. So the, so the next time you go shopping, see what's available organically. And if you get sticker shock, now, some things are not going to be more expensive if you go, if you, especially, if you start cooking, if you compare a cooking meal from buying organic things in ingredient form, you may save money against buying processed foods and conventional form.

Speaker 1: (26:57)
But if you can combine your health budget with your food budget and your philanthropic budget with your food budget and there's reasons to do both now, you realize that it's appropriate to spend that money to invest in your health. As you'll I've, I've interviewed people. And you'll see that in the film secret ingredients,, when people switch to organic, not only does their health get butter, but their bills for medical bills go down. And in some cases, significantly, one family, they interviewed, it was $18,000 a year for a family of six. They went to organic. The next year was below 9,000. The next year, it was basically just their premiums under 3000, and that's not going to happen for everyone. So you stick your, some of your medical bill, medical budget in there. And for philanthropy, we want to invest in a healthy ecosystem. The, the conventional chemical agriculture is a disaster for our planet and the GMOs are a permanent disaster. If you think about new GMOs being introduced into the food supply into the, into the gene pool, there's no technology to reverse that. So we're investing into the health of all living beings and all future generations. So if you're the kind of person that saves up some money at the end of the year makes a donation spread some of that out into your, into your food budget. So you're supporting organic regenerative, healthy food production.

Speaker 2: (28:30)
Yeah. That's very, very important and useful information. Thank you for that. So like, um, one thing I've been realizing over the years, working in educate inspire change is obviously the importance of nutrition. You know, as children we're told, we're given these walls around those, you know, like eat breakfast, this is what you have. This is an average breakfast it's cereal and sugar and milk and whatever. And then it's kind of like part of our diet, part of our life it's ingrained in us. You know? So I think what your task is and what our task is collectively is to try to almost unlearn what we've been taught by our parents. So it's really important for me to try to get these messages across to children at school level, you know, because of that age that you become, you get into habits and you find that you get addicted to sugar and all these kinds of foods like wheat or dairy and bread and all that stuff that's covered in GMOs. So is there anything that you're doing that as maybe targeted towards children? Cause I realized that GMOs, so it's a complicated subject and it tends to be only adults that think about it. But, um, I'm thinking about my children. I have young boys of my own. So when they're going to the shop and buying food for themselves, like how can we educate children better to the GMOs? And what do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1: (29:35)
Yes, definitely. So in the movie secret ingredients, there's families that talk about how they've educated their kids and the changes in the kids are amazing. There's two families with autistic boys that are no longer on the spectrum. There's one that had mood problems and was had digestive problems. And now he's just even killed and smooth. And, and no, none of the bloating, there's someone that had head to toe eczema that went away. There was a girl that had asthma that went away and I've seen this and I've talked to children and parents and doctors. So these are typical responses. And in the film is a pediatrician, Michelle pero, who saw the change in the health of kids, inter patients in the early two thousands GMOs were introduced in the late in 1996. So we started eating them starting in 1997 and more and more. And so she started seeing an early two thousands, the effects of this new diet, whole new types of diseases, complex diseases that were no longer treatable in the same way that she had been able to do it for a decade.

Speaker 1: (30:36)
And I talked to Barbara Royal, who was Oprah Winfrey's veterinarian. And I interviewed her on my Facebook page at the Institute for responsible technology. And she says that she also saw just around the time GMOs were introduced into the human food supply. Their byproducts were put into the pet food supply and all of a sudden cancers exploded and dog allergies and new these, these things that came up. So both from the children's standpoint and the pet standpoint, when they switched the people or the kids and the animals to organic, then they could go. In some cases, it went away completely. Sometimes it's just the change in the food. Now, as far as helping children in our 90 day lifestyle upgrade, we have a section in module for parents. So for the 13 weeks, there's general information, saving time, saving money, inspiration, introducing you to specific brands that are champions, et cetera.

Speaker 1: (31:29)
And then we have a module for parents and a module for pet owners. That's what we give some advice, what we want to do with this protect nature. Now in term that's an eight protect nature campaign to protect against the replacement of nature we need in order to win that battle. It's not going to be sufficient to get consumers, to simply buy organic at supermarkets because that's not going to stop the introduction of genetically modified bacteria, trees, viruses, flowers, pigs, et cetera. So for that, we need to do a enormous education campaign focused, not just on decision makers, but also through education. So part of the plan that we have, it's in the drawing board right now when raising money for it is to create the curriculum that will be used around the world to basically convey this cosh. We have achieved an inevitable time in human civilization where we can very easily reorder the codes of life and redirect the streams of evolution permanently, but we don't have the corresponding ethical and moral high ground.

Speaker 1: (32:48)
We don't have the deep understanding of the science to protect us. And we have short term vision built in to corporations who are looking for short term return and not thinking about, and are willing to lie to us as we've seen from the biotech industry so far. So we need to have a lockdown attitude. Anything we released now will be inherited by all future generations. Are they going to curse us forever for what we've done? We know now that when a GMO was released into the environment, it can change. The genetic engineering is not stable. So not only have we may miss side effects today, but new side effects may emerge tomorrow or the next day. And the technology is getting more powerful, but not necessarily more safe. And so we need to make this an understanding that everyone in the world has. So there's a general understanding of most people. We don't tinker with human beings and change their gene pool for inherited changes, but people don't think, well, what about animals? What about flowers? What about allergy? What about fungus? We need to protect nature's gene pool. All organisms are, we can be facing something as bad or worse than we're seeing in COVID-19 because if you start missing up with microbes, the, the capacity for harm is far greater than we've already seen in this pandemic.

Speaker 2: (34:15)
Yes. Scary stuff. Obviously like, um, when I'm conscious of what people are hearing just now, I don't want to be spreading fear. So like what you're saying to me makes perfect sense. And if anything, you're relating a fire because for years I've been writing articles and talking about GMOs, but I haven't really been actively engaging in any type of activism, but I'd love to have you on the page more often to talk about this kind of topics more, maybe we can engage with the audience so we can promote some of your events and movies and things. So I definitely wanted to take more of an active role in this because I'm realizing as you're talking the importance of it for the last couple of years, I've been on a bit of a spiritual journey of my own, where I've been doing a healing psychedelics. And one of the things that are life changes, I've been making as you love more in tune with nature, because I realized during my experiences that we are nature. So like you say, if we tinker with our foods, with our microbes, everything, we're just messing with nature and nothing good can come over that, you know,

Speaker 1: (35:12)
Could I speak to that please? Um, I love that. I love that. I love that. You're talking about the intelligence of nature and I want to talk about, um, an ancient culture and their system of health and what they can teach us about what we may be doing with genetic engineering. That puts it into perspective. And don't worry, there's good news here. We're going to end up winning. We're going to, we're going to be, we're going to take, take it back, but so you've heard of Iyer Veda. Yeah. It's the, it's the ancient system of health care. That's, that's embedded in the Vedic tradition. And one of their principles of how herbs work is based on the concept that the human being has, all the laws of nature expressed in us. And those laws of nature are kind of parceled out into different aspects of nature.

Speaker 1: (36:04)
Certain laws of nature go to earth, different herbs and plants, stones, and whatnot. And then when we have a problem with our health, it's because the sequence of the laws of nature somehow got corrupted and is not expressing itself correctly. So you pick an herb that has, let's say you have a problem with your ear. The herb has the same laws of nature that your ear was created from, but it's it's sequence is intact. This is the IRA Vedic principle of resonance. You take that herb and it resets the sequence of the laws of nature so that it fixes your ear by going to the foundation and subtle aspects of how your structured, not to the, it's not a bandaid approach. It's a real root root approach. Now, if you, I I've spoken at Irv to conferences. I've spoken at the world. I have had a conference in India and onstage with, to doctors in the United States.

Speaker 1: (37:06)
And I point out that from a scientific standpoint, this makes sense. We now know the plants carry sequences, RNA that comes from the DNA, a very specific sequence. And we know that when we eat a plant and the RNA comes into us, that RNA actually helps program our gene expression. So we take it's. So food is not just vitamins and minerals and phytochemicals. It's also intelligence. It's also specific sequences that influence our genetic expression. Now, if you take that DNA of the plant and you change the order, that means the RNA that may be created from that DNA could be changed, which means the intelligence, the sequence that is being resonated in your system could reprogram our DNA expression. Now the most blatant risk comes from the Apple and the potato that are genetically engineered, not to turn Brown when you slice it, because they've actually used double stranded RNA designed to silence gene expression, but the double stranded RNA that's found in the potato and in the Apple can silence gene expression in other organisms as well, potentially, including humans there's in its code that says it can only work with the Apple and the potato.

Speaker 1: (38:39)
It's a very short segment, maybe be up to 22 or 21 nucleotides long. And it simply has to match a sufficient number on the sequence of the human DNA of 2 billion or more base pairs. What are the chances that there's something along there that matches the chances are 100% so we're gambling that it doesn't, and that if it does match that it doesn't affect it. And if it does affect it, we're gambling that doesn't affect it negatively. And no one is looking to see if it is. So this is an example of preservation of nature's intelligence at the fundamental level, the DNA, the most compactified expression of nature's intelligence that which gets inherited and passed on to future generations and that which operates with laws of nature that we do not yet fully understand. That is something we should not play with. That is something we should honor preserve and protect. So thank you for bringing up this important point about nature.

Speaker 2: (39:44)
Of course, thank you for talking so passionately about it. You know, you're F anything you're inspiring me to take more of an active role in spreading this information around it and making the changes in my own life as well, to try to support your work and the work that you're doing. I'm just really glad that there are people like you, who are, who are so articulate and intelligent and passionate working for us and for the future of humanity, you know, because everything that you're doing today is going to be felt for generations and generations to come. You know, if we can make small changes now they're not make up massive changes for thousands of years, hundreds of years, because we loving during very special times, you know, we're not longer was the industrial revolution then came the internet. I know we were for the first time, we're experimenting with GMOs and vaccines and all this kind of stuff, and we're making some major, major mistakes.

Speaker 2: (40:32)
And it seems to be that corporate greed is making all the decisions just now, you know, it runs politics, it runs education system. It runs the health system and it's up to people like us to really speak up so that we can make the changes necessary to hopefully tweak these systems and bring into them, bring into them like ethics and morals, because snow ethics and models play in all part and any of the major systems that run the run the glove today, you know? So, um, it's been a total pleasure speaking to you and just I'm conscious of time. Cause I know you're a busy man.

Speaker 1: (41:02)
Actually I I've cleared up my schedule so we can end a gracefully, however, however it ends. And I'm fine. I do want to say this, that you said the ethics and morals are not running any system, the systems that run the earth, but I have a slightly different take on that. I think the systems that run the earth primarily are the decisions that make individuals make all the time and that we, we don't see how powerful we are because of the media, which is our mirror is skewed, present something quite different. And so we don't realize that we have actually an authority and inner authority and a global authority. And we do run by morals and ethics and moreover that this concept of needing to take over and to protect the earth, the earth, we can look at it as a burden, but we can also look at it as an opportunity.

Speaker 1: (41:56)
We can, we can do things now that can protect all living beings and all future generations. None of our ancestors have ever had the capacity to do something that great. Think about our cash. No one, no one a hundred years ago could have a footprint that could affect all living beings and all future generations, because there's a threat that can affect that. We have the honor, the honor of being able to step up and protect all living beings and future generations. So this time that we're in to man's global consciousness, but not just global in space global in time, this it's a beautiful opportunity because just by being on earth at this time faced with these decisions, we cannot think small my slogan, which I have a tee shirt made, says, think huge thinking biggest. So last century, we need to think huge. And this, this, the demands of the time are begging us to step to that platform. So if there's one thing, there's some people that are want to be immediately activists, GMOs, or Roundup change their diet. But I want to say if there's one thing you can take away from the spirit, and that is especially now that we're in this grand pause, this blossoming in place, let's reorganize ourselves so that we think for the world, think for all the living beings, think for all future generations and then act.

Speaker 2: (43:27)
I love that so much. I'm talking loving from a higher state of consciousness, having more awareness and thinking big is something that I've been trying to do a lot of. So I'm thinking about the state of the planet hundreds of years from now, and that's what you're seeing. And I think that's a really beautiful way to love that the man who plants a few today, you won't benefit from it, but has great giant children well or his grandchildren. Well, and that's a sane when humanity is going in the right direction when we have people like you working for a future generations, you know, so I'm really, it's been an honor to have you on, it's been an education, it's been an inspiration and I definitely would love to have you back on again, to do a podcast, to do more Facebook lives. I think we could really, um, do a lot of what together definitely educate spare change. And the audience is very much in synergy with you and your beliefs and the work that you do. So I'm really excited to see how we might collaborate in the future as well.

Speaker 1: (44:19)
Well, thank you so much. And I love your group. I love the inspiration that that brought 3 million people together. Oh my God. And I hope that people, this, if they're inspired and you can also go and take a look at our Facebook page at the Institute for responsible technology. And I think we can gain a lot of cross pollination between our groups, you know, send the organic seeds of your thoughts to us. We'll send them to you and we'll, we'll enhance and expand our presence on the planet. 100%. I'm in brother, I'm all in and I'm with you all the way. Okay. Thank you so much and safe eating. Thanks a lot. Take care. Thank you for listening to live healthy. Be well, please subscribe to the podcast. Using whatever app you're listening to podcasts with, or go to live healthy, be to subscribe this podcast and inform you about health, dangerous corporate and government corruption and ways we can protect ourselves, our families and our planet. I interview scientists, experts, authors, whistleblowers, and many people who have not shared their information with the world until now, please share the podcast with your friends. He was enlightened and may even save lives.


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