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Zach Bush on COVID-19, glyphosate, and the nature of viruses - Episode 39

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In this episode Jeffrey speaks with Dr. Zach Bush, MD an internationally recognized educator and thought leader on the microbiome as it relates to health, disease and food systems.  Zach believes that COVID-19 has been demonized by the mechanisms at the CDC and WHO and that the ulterior motive of both of these organizations seems to be the production of a multi-billion dollar vaccine.  Many viruses of the past like MERS and SARS have disappeared naturally over the course of 12 months without the need for a vaccine.  Zach, as always, speaks truth to the public health system.

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LIVE: ZACH BUSH MD on COVID-19, glyphosate, and the nature of viruses, 18 June, 2020

Jefferey Smith (00:09):

Okay, I'm with Zach Bush, Dr. Zach Bush, who is an amazing man. Zach--COVID-19 and glyphosate and the nature of viruses. Give us your impression about what COVID-19 is all about, and how glyphosate or a component of Roundup might be causing extra problems there.

Dr. Zach Bush (01:05)

Viruses, if we back up for a moment, have been largely miscategorized as part of the microbiome. The microbiome [is] composed of two obvious words--the first, “micro,” meaning small, the second means “biome,” which means living organism. It turns out that viruses do not fall into that category of microbiome because they're not actually living organisms. They do not produce energy. They can't reproduce. They're literally a package of genetic information. They don't have any enzymes that can reproduce that DNA within them or anything else. They are really a communication network of the genome, so viruses as a category have been miscategorized into the microbiome for many years. In fact if you read a definition of the microbiome, it'll often include viruses, but if you then ask why viruses, it'll say, Well because they're really, really small.

Dr. Zach Bush (01:32):

They drop the second word, “bio,” and say since they are super, super small, we should just call it the microbiome anyway. That seems like a relatively small mistake to make, unless it turns out that you then take all of your experiential… you know, germ theory that you've developed around bacteria, and gangrene as we started understanding it in the civil war, and everything else, and then apply that to a non-living life form like a virus, it turns out we misconstrue the entire matrix of the virome. The virome is its own ecosystem of genomic information that's emerging from bacteria and multicellular life. At least 50%--and I won't be sur­prised if it's 95% in the end, but at least 50%--of the genomic information that we call viruses is being exuded by bacteria, and those we call bacteriophage.

Dr. Zach Bush (02:52):

Instead of calling them viruses we simply call them bacteriophage. But bacteriophage is the translation and transportation of genetic information from one bacteria to the next, and then it goes inside. If the bacteria chooses to reproduce that, it will start manufacturing that and redistribute that back out into nature in a higher volume so it can amplify that genetic signal. Interestingly, whether it be human or a bacteria, the cell has a lot of regulatory functions as to decide which DNA or RNA is allowed to enter into the cytoplasm of the cell, and which DNA or RNA is allowed to survive long enough to interact with the highly regulated machinery that will determine whether you will actually make a protein and allow that gene to turn on or not. This is a highly regulated communication network of genomic updates, and viruses are produced with the very mission of creating adaptation.

Dr. Zach Bush (03:23):

A virus will never go out into nature and do the same thing that another genome already does all the time. It's not necessary. It doesn't waste the effort of repeating itself if that genetic information has already been brought into the physiology of an organism and is now in a homeostasis or balance without genetic experience of being a live organism. For this reason we don't continue to produce the same virus over and over again. We will take a virus in, we'll produce it for a short period of time. We take that into the tissues of our body that most need that genetic information and then we reach a balanced state. If you get influenza, a specific species (or strain, rather), of that genetic code, you will update that whole genomic sequence within you. Interestingly, we now know that the DNA is constantly updating.

Dr. Zach Bush (04:13):

Some of this DNA will hold onto that information. The herpes viruses and some of these chronic viral conditions out there mean that that genome has been supplanted into your long-term storage devices of your genome. The human genome as now understood through sequencing has been composed of over 50% of its volume from viral inputs. 10% of the genome, in fact, has been inserted directly by retroviruses like HIV. So the genome that makes us human today is a billions of years' journey into the construction of the complexity and intelligence of this genomic information inserted into us by viruses. I want to emphasize how important these viral genomic things are. These aren't like, Oh, I got exposed to a germ and I accidentally integrated that into my system, and now I keep it at bay. No, these are important, critical updates to our adaptive capacity as human beings.

Dr. Zach Bush (05:13):

The good examples of this are, in fact, the genome of stem cells. A stem cell is actually not able to be pluripotent (meaning it can change and turn into a liver cell or a bone cell or a kidney cell) unless it has the genetic update of a retrovirus that was inserted millions of years ago. So through a retrovirus, we gained the function of a pluripotent stem cell as multicellular organisms. Same thing actually gets even more interesting, in that the mechanism by which we produced the placenta to have produced the very first human being, the placenta needed retroviral and viral information genes that regulate that production of the placenta. So if not for viral updates to our genome, we would have never had the adaptive capacity and the biologic intelligence to birth a single human being.

Dr. Zach Bush (06:07):

So how is it that we have so screwed up with this COVID thing, a demonization of the very genetic code that has produced life on earth? But unfortunately that's what we've done and we've done it really with an ulterior motive. It's been interesting to see for the first time the pharmaceutical industry and the mechanisms of the WHO and CDC really show their cards for the first time, and that their entire agenda seems to be targeted at the production of a multibillion dollar vaccine. They didn't seem to have the concern of showing us how we could be in a balanced state with this virus--which has of course happened every other time we've seen a coronavirus. We saw SARS and we saw MERS, and within a single year--within 2 years or 2 seasons, a single 12 month period, the encompassing two of our respiratory seasons--SARS disappeared, no vaccine. 2012 MERS disappears, no vaccine.

Dr. Zach Bush (07:29):

We didn't need a vaccine because the genetic update had occurred. We developed a homeostasis or balance within the populations that have been exposed, figured out how to get that update in, and we're no longer producing the virus. They didn't do that by killing the virus. We have this belief that we need antibodies to kill the viruses so that we're not…you don't kill a virus. It's already dead. You don't need to kill the virus. What you need to do is keep the machinery intact and communicating well, that then regulates the generation or silencing of that genetic information as it enters the body. We have demonized the virome to our own demise because we've made public health decisions that have isolated us, rather than reconnected us to nature. We have made public health decisions that have collapsed global economies, lost 250 million jobs over the last 4 months. We have destroyed the international community on many levels.

Dr. Zach Bush (08:01):

And of course the most poor, the most marginalized, the most abused minorities among us were the worst hit by these mistakes. It's sobering to realize that the misrepresentation of the virome as part of the microbiome, and therefore the attribution of germ theory upon these dead (non-living) genetic updates, we've made some critical mistakes, scientifically, medically, and policy-wise.

Jefferey Smith (08:56):

Let me see if I can summarize with an analogy here. Typically when you have a computer program, you get updates. You used to call them patches, sometimes--you need a patch so they could work with these little pieces that fix the system. And what you're saying is that the virome, or the universe of viruses, carries genetic information where when it comes in it provides information--a sequence that acts like a patch or a computer software update--and that in order to handle it properly there is a system which determines whether to accept that because it's needed, or reject it. The CDC /WHO concept is to not allow the body to gain that capacity on its own, but to pretend that a virus can be killed, and that viruses are now demonized. Did I miss anything in that piece there?

Dr. Zach Bush (09:38):

That's perfect. That's exactly the mechanism that you've got there. The updates are interesting in that the higher the stress you put on the environment, the more updates that are needed. This is pretty obvious that as we pour more and more Roundup into the environment, we do higher and higher damage to the microbiome, and therefore the multicellular organisms within the soils--within their environment around us--we force an increase of speed of viral adaptation. Four years ago it was the first time I delivered this talk that was predicting that the next big pandemic was going to come out of the Hubei province, central area of Asia. Last year I gave more detail at the Sun Valley Wellness Festival, and last June and July around how that was going to occur was through the agricultural--the combination, the use of glyphosate in both the agricultural environment--as well as antibiotic usage in the pork industry, in Hubei province.

Dr. Zach Bush (10:07):

As soon as COVID hit I knew exactly what was happening with the very first thing it said: Hubei province, there's a new virus, blah, blah, blah. Well, that was totally predictable. But now the question was, what is the adaptation? What has the microbiome produced here? And interestingly, this coronavirus has a new RNA strand--at least that's what we think so far. There's a lot of intense work that needs to be done over the next year or two to really detail out this RNA strand within this new variant of the coronavirus. But what it’s starting to look like is we have gotten an adaptation from the extreme stress state of the microbiome of central Asia out of the toxicity of our farming industry and agricultural systems there, that is now allowing a resilience to occur.

Dr. Zach Bush (11:08):

I'm very excited to be putting into place some large clinical trial dollars from an impact investment fund (it's called the Pandemic Fund), working with this group out of New York to channel this money towards clinical trials to show that this viral update has actually been beneficial to mankind. Remember that more than 60% of the people that were exposed to this virus never had any symptoms--meaning we took this virus in, we integrated into our genetic experience, and in some cases into the genetic matrix itself. Then in some cases we had mild symptoms. Probably in the 80% to 90% range of people exposed either had no symptoms or very mild symptoms with this genetic update. Then a very, very small section becomes critically ill and even a smaller section of them die. So we're out of mortality maybe around 0.1 - 0.3%.

Dr. Zach Bush (12:09):

We're in a pretty bad flu season kind of level of mortality here. This may be one of the top 10 most deadly kind of flu season type respiratory viruses that we've seen in the last decade. But it's certainly nothing like catastrophically above anything we've ever seen. It is very much in line with what influenza is capable of doing from a mortality standpoint. So why is it killing anybody? If this is just a genetic update, why is anybody dying from this virus? And it turns out that the answers are right in Hubei province again. If you look at Hubei as a unique toxic stew, not only do you have the highest glyphosate and Roundup levels in the world being sprayed into their soils, highest antibiotic usage in pork industry in the world, you couple that now with the air pollution of Beijing. Beijing, just north of Hubei, gets pressed down by the northern hemisphere air pocket coming down from the Arctic-- pushes that air pollution down into Hubei.

Dr. Zach Bush (13:04):

It turns out that a huge critical part of the toxicity of air pollution is something called PM2.5. This is particulate matter 2.5 microns in size or smaller, that is suspended in a cubic meter of air. PM2.5 per cubic meter is a measurement of air pollution toxicity, and science studies have proven in the last decades that PM2.5 binds the influenza virus and binds the coronavirus so that it will clump. So now instead of an evenly distributed genetic update, you get an abnormal clumping of too much genetic information in a very small particle. And then you have a delivery system. It turns out that the coronavirus, like every other intelligent virus system out there, not only did the organism…remember humans produced every single virus that ever infected another human being—[it] was made by a human being. We produced the virus, and we produced it with an intelligent direction.

Dr. Zach Bush (14:02):

In the case of coronavirus, we cover that viral envelope with a receptor for the ACE2 receptors in the lung of mammals. It also goes on to bind the ACE2 receptor in vascular systems and beyond--smooth muscle, et cetera. We have a delivery system now that's going to bind to the lung material of somebody that not only has an abnormal clump of too much genetic information, it's also carrying air pollution with it, which happens to have a component of cyanide. Cyanide is now being pulled into the bloodstream by an intelligent viral packet as a Trojan horse, delivering a toxin that causes hypoxia. If you look up the textbook of cyanide poisoning, it's called histotoxic hypoxia. The presentations of these patients poisoned by cyanide are identical to the ways in which people died from COVID-19. COVID-19 never caused hypoxic injury in a human being.

Dr. Zach Bush (15:12):

It has to be combined with other toxicities to achieve this, and it has to be in a physiology that was predisposed to this injury. The comorbidities of cardiovascular disease, cerebrovascular disease, heart disease--and stroke, chronic kidney disease and diabetes are the three major risk factors for having complications from COVID. Well, why is that? Why is the kidney and the heart and the liver of the diabetic predisposing to a respiratory virus? And it turns out that we have to put those three categories of patients on the exact same two drugs, which is an ACE inhibitor and a statin drug. And those two drugs upregulate the ACE2 receptor in our lungs. We pharmaceuticalized the world to absorb a virus at a higher concentration than it ever should have been absorbed. It's meanwhile binding pollution with cyanide on it to cause a histotoxic hypoxia, and we get a hypoxic injury to the whole organism.

Dr. Zach Bush (16:20):

An incredible study was published in JAMA looking at 5,700 patients admitted to New York hospitals. It turns out the average temperature of those patients was normal, 37 degrees. The average white blood cell count low normal at 6, with the amount of lymphocytes or left shifts that we would typically see with infection, normal. So no signs of infection, no fever, no white blood cell change--everything else .They presented instead with hypoxia and early liver injury from that hypoxic injury. Then 3 to 4 days later they will accumulate fluid in their lungs and die subsequently of pneumonia and interestingly, blood clots within the tiny vessels, called disseminated intravascular coagulation. So DIC or coagulation in the blood vessels is the downstream effect of cyanide poisoning and the hypoxic event. We are watching literally thousands of patients dying--not from a virus, but from the combination of glyphosate forcing a stress signal from the virome, that then delivers air pollution to the bloodstream of humanity.

Dr. Zach Bush (17:20):

If you look at Northern Italy, it is the highest concentration of PM2.5 and cyanide in the entire European body. You look at New York City and Louisiana, and the 4 corners of Colorado, pockets in Idaho, pockets up around Seattle--these are all areas where we have the convergence of high agricultural environments, high energy and transportation combinations to create high PM2.5, high cyanide levels, binding to a naturally occurring virus that meant no harm, was there to give us an adaptive phase, but through the toxicity of our own lifestyles we created a toxic stew that would kill ourselves. We are literally killing ourselves and blaming it on a virus, and it's tragic for the mistakes that we're going to make at the policy level. We're going to spend $500 billion over the next 6 to 12 months trying to invent vaccines to protect us from a virus that never meant any harm to us, whereas we could have spent that $500 billion revolutionizing the food system such that we would never spray glyphosate again. We could have solved the whole problem in one year, and we won't because we have vilified virome.

Jefferey Smith (18:34):

All right, I'm going to unpack this a bit and make sure that I've got each thing right. If I say something that's not accurate, stop me there. Don't wait for the end. Because of glyphosate it adds stress to the system, and because there's high stress we need more viral input. Does that increase the ACE-2 receptors?  Does that mean that we then pull in viruses that come in because we need them so that the body knows when it receives a virus? It'll pull it in because it needs that that viral input, is that right?

Dr. Zach Bush (18:46): That's right. We're designed as viral absorption machines. We want as much viral contact as possible. There's 10 to the 8th [power] of viruses in a teaspoon of sea water. There's 10 to the 15th [power] of viruses in a liter of seawater. There's 10 to the 8th [power of] viruses in a teaspoon of stool in a newborn baby at 7 days old. There are so many viruses in our gut and in our bloodstream and in our breath and in the air around us. There's 10 to the 31 viruses in the ocean, 10 to the 31 viruses in the air we breathe, 10 to the 30 viruses in the soil around us. And our physiology, like the ACE receptor, is built to absorb all of that genetic update.

Jefferey Smith (19:47):

So we have the stressor as glyphosate causing the body to say: I need more viral patches to upgrade the system.

Dr. Zach Bush (20:16):

I miscommunicated that. I’m sorry to stop you, but you asked me to when I miscommunicate. My miscommunication there is the glyphosate was causing an extinction event in the microbiome, so it's destroying life within the biology. The biology in response is sending out tons of variations genetically to say: We have to find an adaptation out of this or we're going to go extinct. So the pressure of the toxin was creating the level of stress to demand this explosion of genetic variability.

Jefferey Smith (20:40):

Okay, that makes more sense to me, because otherwise it would be generic stress. And the fact that it was actually destroying the knowledge bank...


Dr. Zach Bush: That's right.


Jefferey Smith:

…of the sequences that provide the information for upgrading--where that knowledge bank is being destroyed because of its antibiotic qualities, destroying that diversity, then there's a demand to bring in more of that diversity. That sets up the person to then pull in that viralvic information into their system. Normally it comes in and it's handleable. It comes in and there's a certain number of ACE2 receptors. It comes in and there's a certain concentration of the virus and it's not attached to anything else. It can come in, we can deal with it. But in this case--in Wuhan area and Northern Italy and other places with this high level of air pollution--that it actually combines the viruses into clumps.

Jefferey Smith (21:34):

That changes the way the body can deal with it. The body is not getting the normal level of intelligence. It's getting perhaps an overdose or perhaps something that's not functioning correctly--we haven't figured that out yet, or you haven't shared that. But in addition it's connected to cyanide. Now when the body, goes to the ACE2 receptors, normally there's a certain number, but if people have problems with their kidneys or liver or heart (I believe those are the three organs you mentioned), and they have to take something which increases the number of ACE2 receptors, so now all of a sudden we're pulling in far more viruses than we were supposed to, because we've artificially increased the number of doors. And what's going through the door is unfortunately not the normal shape of the virus but a clumped shape of the virus, and it's smuggling in cyanide. The cyanide gets in there and causes what you call hypoxia… can you explain what that is? I think it's the suffocation, or the inability to process oxygen. Can you share what hypoxia is?

Dr. Zach Bush (22:40):

Great question.  Hypoxia is…and this situation with toxic hypoxia, where there's been a poisoning of the bloodstream, cyanide is only one of the many things in air pollution that could contribute to this--but cyanide is the most specific, and I think the low hanging fruit for us to study and start to treat. What is happening with hypoxia is the oxygen is still present, and there's plenty of oxygen in the air you're breathing. There's plenty of oxygen in your bloodstream, but unfortunately the red blood cell itself can no longer bind that oxygen molecule. So the hemoglobin protein within your red blood cell develops a misshapen protein structure, and it's very likely that glyphosate and other toxins in our environment are predisposing to that injury as well. Nonetheless, the hemoglobin can no longer carry the oxygen that's present.

Dr. Zach Bush (23:30):

This is why our management in ICU’s was so misinformed--because these patients were not showing up with respiratory failure. They didn't have pneumonia; they didn't have lungs filled with fluid yet. Instead they were presenting with malformed hemoglobin, and we have medications that can fix this. One of them happens to be hydroxychloroquine, which got famous because everybody was laughing at president Trump for saying, “Oh, maybe hydroxychloroquine--that's a malaria drug. Why would that work?”  Well, it would work because it changes the shape of the red blood cell. Malaria infects the red blood cell and screws up the relationship there, and it can break red blood cells. Hydroxychloroquine changes that relationship with the red blood cell to micro organisms, and in this case changes it to cyanide so that the hemoglobin changes its shape and it can carry oxygen again.

Dr. Zach Bush (24:36):

It turns out that hydroxychloroquine is kind of a weaker factor there, but a very powerful tool is something like sodium nitrate. That’s actually very cheap, for 10 bucks, and in every single hospital in the world is a cyanide treatment kit. It's a series of three injections that starts with sodium nitrate, and a couple of other sodium compounds get injected, and it changes the shape of the hemoglobin so they can bind oxygen again and win the game. Rather than these multimillion dollar hospitalizations in ICU’s with massive barrier systems and treating these people like they have Ebola or something, all we needed to do was to redirect our attention to the toxicity event, reverse the hypoxia, and then all of the downstream events--the fluid in the lungs, the subsequent pneumonias, the disseminated coagulation and heart attacks and everything else that is going to happen--would never have happened, had we treated this not as a viral infection, but actually as a poisoning.


Dr. Zach Bush (24:47):

That's where we went wrong, and in going wrong we put people on respirators and ventilators, and in so doing we radically increased mortality. New York hospitals with all of the innovations and all of the technology and all the ventilators and everything else, we reached a mortality of 88%. I don't know another condition that induces an 88% mortality across a large population.


Jefferey Smith: That’s for those people that were put on respirators.


Dr. Zach Bush (25:40): That's right.  You're at a mortality level of 0.1% out in nature. You're on a mortality level of 88% in an ICU, and it just gives you this startling realization that our hospital systems and our medical care--and I include myself in this as a physician, I'm part of a machine that is systematically separating ourselves from nature.

Dr. Zach Bush (25:44):

When we see a problem, we tend to--instead of integrating that person back into nature to get them healthy again--we further draw them away from not just nature, but any of their natural processes. We put them on crappy food. We put them on tube feeds. We put them on artificial air that's forced through air conditioning systems with a very strange little niche of microbiome that can survive in antibiotic environments. You have multidrug resistant bacteria. Of course, that patient is going to get pneumonia and die. You just put them in an isolated, weird multidrug resistant bacterial field with fluids starting to accumulate into the lungs and they got poisoned at the red blood cell level and are dying of hypoxia.


Jefferey Smith (26:40)

I’m going to throw a wrench in the works here, Zach--genetic engineering of viruses. You talked about how viruses are like the patches for providing new genomic information so that our systems can then do its self repair and it can sort between what's healthy and what's not. However, that's based on a certain level of natural viral sequences. If we end up genetically engineering viruses and changing those sequences--and there's strong evidence that COVID-19 has been genetically engineered, and the key… I can go into this. I have done Facebook lives about it, I've done a podcast, I'm going to be doing more…there's a lot of very strong scientific evidence that it was genetically engineered, it’s not guaranteed, but certainly that it escaped from a laboratory in one case or the other. But let's say it was genetically engineered. Does that mean that the information that's coming into the body that's forming an upgrade might actually not be forming an upgrade, but since it's not natural and it's man-made, it might be causing devastation, in which case it might be the enemy?

Dr. Zach Bush (28:09):

It could be. But if that's true, then they sure did a bad job, because 80% of the people that get this are asymptomatic or only mildly symptomatic, so they failed to create a toxic thing. The only place we've seen toxicity is in the context of pharmaceuticalization of those patients and high toxicity in their environment. I think if there was an effort to do that--and there's no question there's an effort to give increased viability to viruses--that's being done in every governmental lab out there that’s studying viruses. They call this gain of function experiments. So again, gain of function experiments are being done all over the world all the time because it has a lot of implications for things like genetic modification of crops and things. So there's ways that you can monetize gain of function viruses. By finding those gains and functions you can figure out a better way to manipulate nature.

Dr. Zach Bush (29:11):

That's why we're doing it-- maybe warfare and everything else, but really it's because there's an economic potential for monetizing through further manipulating nature through genetic modification. We're talking about genetically modifying human beings. We've already genetically modified the mosquito. We've genetically modified the salmon. This fascination with genetic modification is leading to all of these gain of function experiments, but I would argue that no laboratory in the world does genetic modification of viruses better than a pig farm. It's now illegal to transport their stool out across state lines. It's considered a toxic substance, it’s a biohazard. So they have to pour this into pools, literally lakes, adjacent to the pig farm facilities, and they build levies to hold this stool. Imagine billions of gallons of stool outside of Smithfield in North Carolina, or in Hubei Providence ten X that.

Dr. Zach Bush (29:34):

You've got these massive pig stool lakes, every teaspoon of which has millions of microorganisms that are all under severe stress of the antimicrobials and the glyphosate and everything else, and they are cranking out viruses at an astounding rate. Remember, viruses are looking for adaptation opportunities. They're always doing gain of function. So you have lakes of stool in Hubei province that are doing billions and billions of new variants of viruses every couple of seconds, most of which don't do a thing. But every once in a while there will be a new gain of function, and it goes to update the genome of all the bacteria in the environment. And some of those might be actually useful to a bat that's nearby, so it'll update its genome with that thing. Its droppings might then pass through another animal that needs that genetic update.

Dr. Zach Bush (30:26):

You can see how a gain of function genomic adaptation to a toxic environment can be utilized by many, many different species with the right bearings. That's what we saw happen here. I can guarantee you that their labs are trying to do this, but I guarantee you that none of them can compete with a pile of pig stool. The pig stool is always going to win the game because it's got so many trillions of workhorses going all the time, cranking out all of these variants under stress. In a laboratory they're literally like taking a gene, and try that one. And then they take a gene, and they try that one. In this case, in nature, they're trying quadrillions at once, and it's a massive explosion of genetic variations, very few of which will go on to transform the world. COVID is a new transformation. I believe nature probably did that better than any laboratory it could be.

Dr. Zach Bush (31:39:

The fact that there were so many asymptomatic carriers of this that got that update and had no symptoms would suggest to me that this is an important update. I don't think it was directly harmful at all. We would have seen more harm from this thing. We are so lucky that this was not a harmful militarized thing. If it was that, it was so poorly done. I think that there's a very clear likelihood that this was a natural genetic update. Is it the results of genetic engineering? Yes, in the oldest form of genetic engineering, which is viral variation. Viruses have been doing gain of function since the beginning of time, billions of years before we showed up. Personally I put great suspicion on the story of a government laboratory. I don't think they're smart enough yet. I honestly don't think our labs have the capacity to do what nature does every single day, which is adaptation and gain of function.

Jefferey Smith (32:04):

Well, I won't spend the time now laying out the arguments in terms of the structure of the ACE receptor and the Furin part of the strain and the evolutionary time it would take for a natural thing to mutate into this. But, from a theoretical standpoint, if we're talking about the pig stool factory, it's moving variations within certain natural systems--treated in an unnatural way, but natural systems. If you genetically engineer you might go completely outside anything that might be created through natural systems. It's like you can think of all of the ways that you could raise and change mice. You can genetically engineer with different cells an ear, a human ear, to grow on the back of that mouse, and that's not something that is within the realm of natural variation. It is imposed.

Jefferey Smith (33:08):

Here we come back to the question: If a virus is genetically engineered and released, it may be that our mechanism for using the patch to upgrade our software, to benefit from it going forward, may be disrupted because we may reach to handshake it in one way and it doesn't have the proper handshake the other way. So that's where I'm trying to see if throwing this wrench into your system, if it falls apart--if we're genetically engineering in ways that wouldn't occur in nature and might actually stop the appropriate assimilation or evaluation of the physiological level.

Dr. Zach Bush (33:55):

It's certainly possible. But I would offer you this perspective, which is how little RNA is in that coronavirus. You're talking about 6 genes at the most, right? Five of those have been in every other coronavirus ever studied, including the common cold. You have one new RNA strand at best (and there's still debate as to whether it's really new or not, or just a variant of a previously seen one), but at best we have one new RNA strand here, which may or may not even be a gene. We don't know if that RNA goes on to make a protein yet.  It could easily just be a micro RNA segment that gets cleaved up and can change genetic signaling and other things, but isn't actually a gene itself. We have a lot of work to do to prove that this thing actually has a new gene.

Dr. Zach Bush (34:44):

If it does have a new gene, I would challenge anybody to find one gene that can disrupt physiology in a very small number of cells. Because remember, the number of cells that will take up that gene once infected through the lung is a tiny, tiny proportion of human cells. It's not like the entire human genome gets updated with that RNA strand throughout the whole body. No, it's just the lung epithelium, maybe some vast [?] epithelium, and that's it. You're going to have very few cells that ever get exposed to that one new gene. I think it's extremely unlikely that all of the checks and balances, all of the extraordinary control mechanisms that we have to make sure that we can be resilient and repair every day, could be subverted by a single gene and just a few cells.

Dr. Zach Bush (35:30):

I would posit that the virus is not a pathway that the government's going to figure out [how to] control. The government is not going to predict this. The way in which the government is going to do that is through the vaccine to that thing. A vaccine to this RNA can carry all kinds of things that disrupt physiology. There's a lot of data coming out that there's an anti-HCG antigen in the vaccines that are under trial right now, and anti-HCG antigens are known to be abortive faces. They cause sterility in women once exposed to that. And frighteningly, if a male is exposed to the vaccine, it induces an antigen to HCG. Sexual contact can pass that antigen on, so males having been vaccinated could have the potential to pass on infertility to all the women that they come in contact with.

Dr. Zach Bush (36:23):

I am terrified by the possibility of vaccines being implemented for this virus, because I know the virus has done so little harm. Yes, we've lost tens of thousands of lives to a hypoxic injury due to the cumulative toxicity of our behavior, but the virus itself was so benign it left 60-70% people unaffected at all, another 30-40% barely affected. A vaccine is showing 30% severe reactions and hospitalizations. That's gonna destroy life on earth if we go after something like that. But even if we found a safe version of that vaccine (which we never have--we've never found a safe RNA vaccine), but let's go on that experimental journey of: Okay, we find a safe RNA vaccine that's actually efficacious, but actually accidentally triggers this anti HCG antigen.

Dr. Zach Bush (37:23):

Or, as we just saw in the big study that got released from the study that Dr. Fauci had invested in everything, was touting this like this was going to be the first vaccine and get through clinical trials and everything else--there was an enormous amount of the people that went through the low dose trial that got the super-antigen effect, where they’ve developed way too many antibodies to this Corona protein. And when that happens, the mortality--if they ever do get exposed to Corona again--is going to go through the roof. So that super antigen sensitization has already been proven, and a lot of new data is starting to say, Oh my gosh, I think we also have an anti-HCG effect. We could have a devastating effect from that. Whatever concern we may have had about a government lab and a virus pales in comparison to the damage we could do with a vaccine on the tail end of this thing.


Jefferey Smith (38:18)

Sobering, I was not aware of the HCG antibody at all. That's new information. Thank you. Have we covered this topic of the nature of viruses, COVID-19 and glyphosate? Is there anything else you want to add in that triad?

Dr. Zach Bush:

Resilience. I am just so profoundly excited about how resilient humans are when they're in nature, and we saw this all around the globe. That was the largest population study we've ever done that shows that clean air and clean food prevents all disease. I just couldn't be more excited about this pandemic, because what it really was is a pandemic of realization of how resilient nature is and how resilient human biology is. We are healing machines and we are genetic updating machines. And we are viromic communicators. We’re communicating genetically with one another, which means we could build a more resilient and more adaptive human biology in our co-creation with Mother Nature over the next 10 years than we ever have in human history.

Dr. Zach Bush (39:12):

We have to reconnect with her and we're going to do that through the food system first, and then through our healthcare system that needs to realign with a microbiome that we now know is the foundation of health, not the enemy of health. We need to realign our understanding of vaccines--that we're not trying to kill bacteria and fungi any more. We should not even have that mentality. We should be fostering bacteria and fungi and biodiversity. Resilience and biodiversity are ultimately the result of cellular communication, and it is done by the bacteria and fungi over and over again. I couldn't be more excited for human nature to wake up at this moment and be like, My God, why are we trying to create a vaccine against something we already survived so well? Why are we trying to block a genetic update that we probably desperately need? Because we are under the same toxicity that those bacteria, fungi and other multicellular mammals are in in Hubei province under the toxicity they're suffering under. We are resilient. We are healing machines. There is no fear to be had here. There's only opportunity to adopt a new biology for the planet and adopt a new biology for humankind as we embrace the microbiome--and importantly, embrace the virome as the source of life, not its enemy.

Jefferey Smith (40:46):

That was a beautiful message, especially because it also becomes an antidote to the fear that's being pushed out through every channel. The fear sells and the fear sells vaccines, but it also sells news, and it also can justify policies--whether those policies are justified or not--by creating that impression. So thank you so much, Zach, for taking time to give us your unique insight. The whole way of looking at the microbiome and looking at the viruses as genetic information and seeing the demand for more genetic information as one of the outcomes of being exposed to antibiotics, particularly glyphosate, and how that actually sets us up for viral infection in ways that we wouldn't be if we hadn't been exposed, is very, very telling. And I also know that some of what you've discussed can be researched. We can look at treating patients with the COVID-19 symptoms by giving them things for hypoxia and seeing if there's cyanide-related recoveries. We can potentially check for cyanide poisoning. This was one fascinating aspect of another interview that you had, where in the Hubei province, when the deaths started going down, people were saying it's because of the


Dr. Zach Bush:

Social distancing…


Jefferey Smith:

…isolation, and you had a different interpretation of what might be happening. Can you share that?

Dr. Zach Bush (42:29):

Yes, you can actually go online and actually watch PM0.5 levels in real time in Hubei and many other parts of the world. There's a group that was founded by the UN that tracks global toxicity in different ways. You can see in real time--day to day, actually almost hour by hour--the amount of PMT2.5 in New York City, or Wuhan. Go there, pull that up and then look at the trajectory of the PM2.5 between the end of December and the middle of February. Their explosion of disease happened over the course of January. Between January 5th and February 5th they launched in those 4 weeks 8 new hospitals with thousands of new beds and everything else, none of which ever filled up.

Dr. Zach Bush (43:04):

In fact, they had to close the first one within 3 weeks of opening it because there were no patients. And what happened between that 3 to 4 -week period, you see this vertical increase in a very huge population. You're looking at tens of millions of people in Hubei province there. You've got this potential for a massive explosion of data [that] suddenly went flat, and it did it like…sharp! And everybody said, Well, China's lying about its death toll. It actually had, up until that point, been the most transparent that we'd ever seen them be. I'm in gratitude for that. That was the only explanation they could come up with. But if you look at PM2.5, suddenly between this trajectory and this trajectory was a drop low 40 microns per cubic meter of air pollution in Hubei province. They didn't do a social isolation-- they stopped driving, they stopped the trains, they stopped the energy production--PM2.5 drop, and everybody stopped dying. If we're not poisoning ourselves, we won't die from this viral update.

Jefferey Smith (44:06):

I found it so fascinating that the same information that was being used as an example for the success of social distancing, actually in your eyes was showing that it wasn't the virus. It was the environmental toxins that were being empowered and smuggled into the system by the virus and the ACE2 receptors that allowed it to be so deadly. Then after I saw that interview with you when you described that, I read a New York Times article about a mysterious link between high levels of air pollution and high death rate. They didn't have the explanation that you offered, but there it was. I live in the Bay area now, and Richmond has an oil processing plant--terrible air pollution, and their death rate was way higher than the other areas in the Bay. They went around the country talking about the areas that had high particulate matter were having high death rates, and it was a mystery. You may have solved the mystery and they're not reporting on it.

Dr. Zach Bush (45:40):

No, they haven't reported on it, but it has been proven. The first study came out of China brilliantly done. Again, this whole thing that China's lying all the time--I have less trust in the U S media right now than I do with the Chinese public health sector right now. I think we're actually getting an inordinate amount of honesty from them, which is maybe unusual, but I think we've got incredibly good data. It's really interesting, very cohesive scientific data, meaning that you can look at it from lots of different angles and it holds up, which means they're not lying to us. We're seeing too much cohesive scientific evidence that the data we're getting is actually good data, whereas in the U S we have nothing remotely similar to good data.

Dr. Zach Bush (45:53):

It doesn't make sense on any scale as to the data that we're seeing around the number of COVID infections, the number of COVID deaths. It doesn't fit any other country in the world. The UK is starting to match itself to us. Canada is starting to match itself to our data, but outside of those three countries, no other country experienced the data that we've put out there as true. I think the only scientific suspicion surely has been cast on U.S., UK and Canada. Everybody else's numbers look pretty solid. And that's as diverse of governments as Iran, Russia, China, Germany, Sweden, Switzerland--these countries are giving out some very coherent data. South Korea, Malaysia--all of them very consistent. Three major outliers:  U. S., Canada…we have the wrong algorithm going in our head in this country.

Dr. Zach Bush (46:47):

We keep thinking there's this horrible virus, when in fact the study coming out of China and then repeated by Harvard shows that for every one micron increase in PM2.5 per cubic meter, every one micron had a 10 to 15 X increase in deaths. There's no virus that's ever been able to be measured at that exposure rate and that level of mortality. The mechanisms that I've laid out for you, PM2.5 binding a virus that can carry the cyanide into the cell, is the only mechanism that I think explains a 10 X increase with one micron extra per cubic meter of air. That is massive evidence coming out of Harvard and China agreeing that this PM2.5 maps better to mortality than any PCR tests showing COVID or not showing COVID. The people that are dying are dying of poisoning.

Dr. Zach Bush: (47:06):

Interestingly, if you look at flu season, this gets really amazing. Take a look at the CO2 and methane levels in the atmosphere as the image by NASA or any other NGO between the months of November and June. We have a green planet in October. There is no red CO2 methane accumulation in the atmosphere. Suddenly between the third week of November and the second week of December, in that 3-week period, the whole Northern hemisphere goes red with CO2 and methane because we just lost the green respiratory status of soil microbials and the plant life. As we go into winter in that 3-week period, explosion of CO2 and methane in the atmosphere--which will also have the PM2.5 and everything else in there--it suddenly cleans itself up incredibly as of the first week of June. Flu season is not a flu season.


Dr. Zach Bush (48:42):

Flu season describes the CO2 poisoning of the atmosphere. The viruses that cause flu are there 12 months a year. They don't suddenly appear in November. They're there in October, they're there in September. They're always there, but they don't cause any discernible increase in respiratory death until we poison the atmosphere with CO2 and we lose the lungs of the planet in the fall and winter status. Now picture what's happening as we kill the soils around the clock with glyphosate, Roundup and the rest--as we kill the planet, as we kill the lungs, our respiratory disease around the year is going to keep going up because we're inducing a higher and higher amount of carbon particulate and carbon moieties in the air.

Jefferey Smith (49:49):

And the CO2, the large amount of it, that changes the way our bodies deal with the viruses, it makes it less likely to…

Dr. Zach Bush (49:29):

…Well it carries [inaudible]. And the methane concentrate in the lung disrupts the oxygen carrying capacity of the red blood cell again, and all of this. All of it's a poisoning, and we should not be seeing high methylene and PM2.5 levels in our air, ever. And when we do, we're going to be prone to collapses of biology at a deep level.

Jefferey Smith (49:51):

Amazing. Well, I really appreciate that new perspective. Every time I speak with you it's like, wait, wait, wait…the boundaries of what I hear from others are just gone, and there's interactions with kingdoms and laws of nature that we're just waiting for you to put it together.


Dr. Zach Bush (50:48)

Well, that's my personal challenge to myself…to have some new material.


Jefferey Smith:

Is there anything you want to share before we sign off?

Dr. Zach Bush (50:25):

Oh, just my love, brother. I just so love your energy. It's so different than it was, you know, 6 months, 12 months ago. We've talked about this before coming on air together, as what a beautiful time to be human. What an amazing time to be alive. We are literally metamorphosing right now as a species. We are connecting to consciousness. We're connecting to Mother Nature. I think COVID had the opposite effect than they wanted. We didn't social distance--we connected deeper. We used Zoom, we used Skype, we used phones, we used every mechanism possible to connect with our loved ones, our estranged families. We saw more interaction…here in Hawaii a beautiful thing happened that our homeless population got invited back into the homes that they had been estranged from when they were banned from their beach residences where they sleep in tents and everything else, and they were suddenly not allowed to do that.

Dr. Zach Bush (51:30):

We saw reconciliation happening in families that has not happened in decades. There's just a deep healing happening. Black lives matter. The execution in public of a black man who has been convicted of no crime [and] dies on our streets. George is part of an awakening of consciousness as we start to interconnect and look at the horror of human behavior as a whole. From glyphosate to murder in our streets, we are horrifically disconnected and damaging species on this planet…destructive. And yet look what our response to seeing that is. It's love, it's compassion, it's reconciliation, it's the ask for healing, ask for forgiveness. It's us saying: I am sorry for a systematic white manifest destiny to destroy indigenous peoples and indigenous flora and fauna across this world.

Dr. Zach Bush (52:11):

I'm sorry for that, and I'm ready to break the pattern. I'm ready to be part of a new solution where I no longer try to sequester more wealth and resources than any human could possibly need. I'm here to give more than I take. I'm here to love more than I ask to be loved. I'm here to be part of something. That's what humanity is doing right now. The praying in the streets together, the kneeling in front of each other, and cops in front of protesters, protesters crying and hugging cops. We are seeing the outpouring of reconciliation and healing happening on this planet. The virome is not our problem. It is human mentality and our own programming that is the problem. Our response to Mother Nature is polluted with our warlike attitude in the same way we turn that warlike attitude against one another, and it's all coming apart right now. If it was a government lab, boy they sure screwed up, because they just lit us all up. And there is a revolution afoot in the vibration of love right now that I've never seen happen on the planet, and I couldn't be more excited to be part of it.

Jefferey Smith (53:36):

Beautiful words, Zack, I also agree that this time has been an incredible blessing to so many people I know. We've taken our lives out of deeply worn grooves, and now if we simply get our lives back it will be the greatest lost opportunity in living history. I don't think that's going to happen. I think we have been changed in the same way that a caterpillar is changed into a butterfly. So I look forward to continuing our friendship as we watch civilization adjust and change and fly, now that we are going through this transformation.


Dr. Zach Bush:

Beautifully said. I am excited to be with you. Thank you, Jeffrey.


Jefferey Smith:

All right. Take care.



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